This article had much more complete information than the Times Colonist. Thanks Barb! Good work! It certainly is important to ask the question about how someone comes to such a state of desperation. There are a number of support agencies in victoria for immigrants, however in the current funding climate these resources are inevitably stretched. And when we consider the resources for mental health, it's truly shameful how limited existing organizations are (again due in part to limited funding and recent cuts) and not surprising how so many people fall through the cracks. I hope our society can become more compassionate but when i see what kind of treatment mainstream media gives of stories like this, i feel less than hopeful. I'm glad to have found they Tyee to be able to provide more comprehensive coverage that is more about providing a different perspective as opposed to news as entertainment. Thanks again!

This isn't the first time this has happened, and everytime it does, I alway think - of the police - that they're cowards. I mean, really, its their job, they're supposed to be professionals, they're supposed to be able to handle these situations... short of blowing away everyone who's "out of control".

Quite obviously, the police are not very well trained in the handling emotionally distressed and violent people. Its a shame, there really should be someone to call when these things happen.

Meltdown, actually I think its pretty evident who the coward is. Its the person anonomously second guessing after the fact on a website. There is a reason why we have a coroner who can independently investigate situations like this. I look forward to hearing her findings and perhaps recommendations, but to immediately assume that this situation was "preventable" and a result of someone "falling through the cracks" is complete tripe. There may have been little or no indication that this person was about to do what he did. Most people live with and cope with stress in their lives. The idea that some sort of government SWAT team should suddenly show up and intervene before anything bad in life happens is laughable. Situations like this are not unique. Some people decide they want to end their lives and find ways to get a police officer to do it for them. I feel badly for the police officer involved. Anyone who thinks that he showed up at this domestic dispute hoping to shoot someone dead needs the same kind of professional intervention that Mr. Camaso may have required.

Everyone's uncritical acceptance of this writer's unattributed version of events leaves me scratching my head. She wasn't there, yet provides the police version as gospel. No one is saying any police officer ever wants to shoot anyone, but what about the eyewitness quoted in one of the dailies who had the unfortunate victim already halfway down to the ordered prone position when he was shot twice? And if several police officers with guns can't disable one man with an iron bar without slaying him, well… The Justice Institute isn't doing its job. These incidents are happening far too often, and the eyewitnesses are always discredited by police. And no matter how bad the cops come off in the media or court, when is the last time you heard of an officer doing time, serious or otherwise? And the stenographers impersonating journalists in B.C.? Have you ever heard of any of these public crusaders showing a little initiative and probing any further than a free ride-along for a grow-op bust?

Listen Groovypippin, I remember 10 to 15 years ago reading about the police shooting down a mentally ill young man wielding a fork, on his family's front lawn. His mother had called for help. And every year since hearing of this incident, there has been a similar incident, or two, or three, that has happened. What good have the coroner's reports been in all these years, I ask you.

I feel sorry for the policeman involved, as well, I really do. He must be going through hell right now. But, you see, its the way he was trained, and its the equipment he has been given to deal with these situations. If the man had pulled out a gun, that would be one thing; by all means, then, there would have been no option but to shoot. But that didn't happen did it? The man pulled out a pipe and tire iron. Shit, your local dogcatcher could have handled this guy better, but, then, he probably would have had the proper equipment and training, too.

To suggest pepper spray is a viable option is ridiculous. What were the wind conditions? Were the officers downwind or upwind? Officers responding with pepper spray in such conditions should be retrained. Their use of force is this instance was probably appropriate (not having been there, I can't say for sure.) To control the person with a baton would have been too dangerous for the officers, the conditions for taser use may not have been appropriate (as stated above), and using pepper spray is laughable. It's unfortunate someone died. But I can see how it happened.

According to what I read in the Times Colonist, the constable had been with Saanich police since April, before that two years with Winnipeg police, before that four years with the Canadian Armed Forces, including peacekeeping in Bosnia. So inexperience was not his problem. Why shoot a very small man "armed" with a crowbar and piece of steel pipe three times in the chest?? I'm finding the whole thing very troubling. What a tragedy.

What a tragedy is right I also remember an incident where a young native was shot by Vancouver City Police who mistook a walkman for a weapon??? It is possible to dissarm someone with a pipe and a tire iron, or a knife with adequate training (nightsticks?) as the police should require, they are not just there to protect the public and themselves from this person they are also there to protect the assaillant from harm, not kill him in cold blood because they felt threatened why didn't he use his nightstick? We used to have police officers who could handle a situation like this taking a few bruises by arresting, now we have men and women who feel it is neccesary to use a gun to protect themselves, making the decision to fire point blank at a small man instead of trying to take him to the ground with the help of the other officers, they may have gotten a few bruises but he would still be alive.

pepper spray is marketed for stopping grizzly bears in the wild and has saved lives so why wouldn't it have helped them to bring him to the ground? My point is they have other tools in their arsenal but have chosen to shoot first on to many occasions rather then take a few lumps. What is the worst thing that could have happened if all three of them had jumped the little guy? Do bouncers get to shoot people for pulling a knife or grabbing a pool cue?

i guess all of you computer investigators can sit back and judge an incident for hours and days after the fact, when the incident that occurred only happenned in a matter of minutes or seconds. your super human strenght obviously makes you immune to the blow of a crowbar or metal pipe. if you can not figure out that a crowbar and metal pipe can kill or seriously injure someone. you also don't sit back and think about mr. camaso's actions. he made the choice to attack the officers, the officers did not make that decision, he was attempting to kill or injure. in regards to comments that police officers should accept the fact that they are in a dangerous job and should be ready to be injured. police officers did not sign up to be treated like punching bags, it is our shitty society that treats them like garbage.

in answer to the asinine comments on july 15th, by vick. pepper spray does not stop someone in there tracks, and more often then not it has no effect at all. a person who is pepper sprayed can swing a knife/bar/pipe/fist just as hard if not harder then a person who has not been pepper sprayed.

A metal pipe is a deadly weapon, if you get hit across the head you will suffer a serious injury and may die. So ~ based on that, I don't think the cop did anything wrong by defending himself with his firearm. This isnt the movies people, this is real life. If that cop tried to wrestle with the man he would have likely been hit several times by the metal bars and I doubt that he would have been able to disarm him. Pepper spray doesnt work on combative, motivated suspects. The police battons are too short to engage a suspect with a 2 foot bar, and a taser is a single shot weapon which is generally not used unless you are in a controlled setting. (Its next to impossible to taser a moving, running target, and if you miss? well that moving running target attacks you with two metal bars). Police get assaulted all the time and rarely use enough force to defend themselves. This is a situation where the police officer had no choice, it was either engage the suspect with the firearm or wrestle with a man armed with two metal clubs.

Exactly, Julio. Well said.

Jeremy, Mr Camaso did not "choose" to attack the police officers! His wife called 911 to request medical assistance for a man with serious mental illness. Her husband is now dead because police mis-handled the situation. I'm not implying that they killed him deliberately, but that they were not trained to handle such a situation. I can't believe that this is not obvious to you.

This is yet another tradegy. I wonder if this sad situation would have been averted if not for all the closures and shutdowns of treatment facilities?

The officer in question had extensive training which contradicts the "2 month on the job comment". Yes he has been on the job in Saanich for 3 months however previously he was with the Winnipeg Police for 2 - 3 years and previously to that served in the Canadian Armed Forces, deployment Bosnia. Cst. Dukeshire was more than capable of dealing with a situation that all police officers are trained to deal with. In fact, Cst. Dukeshire did exactly what his training demanded in that situation. It is too bad that Camaso put Cst. Dukeshire in that situation and I feel very bad for Cst Dukeshire because he will always have to live with the fact that he took another man's life even though he was forced to do so. My heartfelt blessings to the Dukeshire Family along with the Camaso Family.

why did cst.dukeshire shot mr. camaso on the fatal area knowing that it could lead to his immediate death? why not in other parts like in his legs or arms to make him disable to attack the police? why did his wife teresa didn't shout to the police not shot her husband considering she was near the scene? she personally knew her husband has no gun to kill. she might have blocked the killing of her husband....is this aggresive the Dukeshire kind of police?

Cops aren't trained to shoot at flailing limbs. They are trained to aim for the centre of mass. Your comments are rather naive, lumen. It's futile to ask, "why didn't...?" after the fact. The officer made a judgement call based on the situation before him at the time, and how he was trained.

Some of the details have been abit mixed up in this tragedy . Junior's wife was NOT near the scene. Junior asked her to leave with their daughter . She was completely out of the apartment complex . A very kind stranger took her in and cared for them for hours . Teresa didn't find out what happened until much later , after Junior had died .

too bad these cops didn't arrest K. Ellard

Of Cst Dukeshire...His training is far beyond the *2 months* as said by someone else. He has many years of training with other police dept's as well as the Military. Can you imagine having someone mentally ill coming after you with a metal pipe and a crowbar ?? It's just a bad bad situation that developed with no choices. My thoughts are with you Cst Kris and your family.

As with any situation like this there of course are a number of things to consider. As was mentioned earlier, one must wonder if this person fell through cracks due to the cuts in mental health..A very serious question to ask and one that must surely be posed by the Coroner's office at some point. The reduction of services have in my opinion left gaping holes in our ability to detect and prevent such sitations from happening. There must of course be questions posed as to the length of service on the part of the officer. Not to attack him or his intent but to examine Police policies and issues such as the availability of non lethal equipment for use by officers in the field. As well it is I believe time for us as a society to examine the issue of lethal force as a societal issue in a winder context. Every year people die at the hands of police. In situations where the safety of an officer or member of the public's safety is threatened there is no doubt that where required lethal force may be required. In other situations however lethal force is employed as a process of stopping someone for example from fleeing a crime scene or as an aid in the aprehension of an alleged criminal. Canada has rejected the use of Capitol punishment long ago for any offence. Yet in some instances this punishment can and is dealt to criminals in police pursuit. This practise is something that I believe needs to be examined and tested on a national scale to see if it truly meets a standard that we as a society feel to be consistant with our beliefs as a society. I too am sure this constable will carry the scars of having taken a life for a very long time and my heart goes out to him. But at the same time a human has died and we must of course feel sorrow and remorse at the fact he will never be around to see his children grow up or to perhaps be healed of whatever caused this situation in the first place...

Tom, can you point out a situation in Canada in which police used lethal force to prevent someone from fleeing a crime scene?

Real Quick: It's tough to Justify drawing on a man without a gun. I think that this incident, as has been laid out by Barbra, indicates that Police should undergo more crisis and pressure training before being sent out to the feild - armed and dangerous. Also, I have a feeling that because of lack of interest in employment in the police force there is a trend towards making cops of people who aren't really suited for the job. Anyone who panics like the officer in question shouldn't have a badge. To all police: think first. You're armed with a tazer, pep spray and a batton. Why go for a lethal shot THREE TIMES? Nobody keeps running with a bullet in their leg.

Branden Mack has no idea what he is talking about... I encourage him to look into the application process for any accredited Police service in Canada. The application process for a Police agency is huge, it includes a psych evaluation, written tests, interviews, background checks, etc etc. Do some of you people really, truely beleive that it would be reasonable for Dukeshire to pull his smaller batton? or attempt to pepper spray him (when its a known fact that pepper spray has very little effect on combative, mentally unstable suspects) or attempt to taser him? Please keep in mind, the taser is a single shot device and not always 100% successful. IF Dukeshire tried these other non-lethal tactics it is more than likely we would be reading about another Canadian Police Officer who was assualted and perhaps killed.

I don't think all officers are armed with tasers at all times either. Tasers are relatively new on the scene. Besides, if the officer used a taser and the outcome was the same (sometimes tasers kill, too)then what would you be suggesting (please don't say baton or pepper spray--the use of force has to match or exceed the suspect's). And if you think there aren't many people interested in becoming cops, BM, you should check out an info-session or ask a recruiting officer how many applicants they have to weed through.

The insane thing here is that you all--especially the two "J"s and bk, at least one of whom comes across as a cop--are all discussing the police version of the events that led to the shooting. The police never, never release details about shootings that put them in a bad light. Also, for all the discussion about police tactics, there seems to be no credence given to the theory that sometimes cops just lose it and freak, especially those who might never have encountered a hairy and potentially violent situation before. Sometimes they make stupid mistakes. And sometimes they just shoot people because they know they can technically get away with it. Sometimes lethal force is applied because there is a minuscule chance a cop might get injured. One of the most common reasons given for shooting at a suspect in a car is that "he was coming right for me", which is translated as attempted murder, even if the cop stepped right out in front of the car or made no attempt to move out of the way of a fleeing suspect. Many of such shot vehicles and suspects have shown bullet holes and wounds that have come from behind. How is a cop's life still being threatened if the car has already passed? bk, stop being such a knee-jerk apologist and do a little research. Your responses advance no discussion whatsoever. Likewise the two "J"s. And lest anyone forget, what about the Times-Colonist story that featured a witness saying the victim was in the process of obeying the police and lying down when he was shot, not advancing towards three helpless armed cops with a piece of metal in his hand?

A bit of knee-jerking yourself, there, Counter. You might want to take a deep breath before you submit your comments. What good is a forum if we all feel obliged to agree?

i only have one more comment to pass along. i am not blaming Mr. Camaso for this tragedy, but if he had listened to the instructions of the officers he would still be alive. Chances are he would have been escorted to the hospital for a psych evaluation, given pills and released because that is the extent of our canadian mental health programs. People get released (due to a lack of beds and funds) who need in hosptial care. And as long as SOCIETY doesn't see these people suffer directly in their face SOCIETY does not care. And as a police officer i would rather come home to my family safe, than end up severly or fatally injured and being transported to an emerg room or morgue. The reason i wrote these comments was to show my support for Cst. Kris Dukeshire. Kris if you are reading these forums. (which i hope you are not as they are negativly directed at the police and is something you do not need to read to assist in your recovery) i hope you recover as i know how difficult you must be taking this. signed a former co-worker in manitoba*******i also feel sorrow for the Camaso family for their loss********************

As I said before, you're all basing your comments on the police version of events. bk, I don't need to take a deep breath before I submit my comments. I do something even better: I think them through. Uninformed commentary, knee-jerk opinionating, and automatic gainsaying--although common enough--serve no purpose in these forums except to make people waste a lot of time wading through extraneous stuff that ultimately has no value. Opinion is one thing; pronouncements from on high without taking into consideration any of another person's points or commentary is valueless. And Jeremy, no one is questioning your sympathy for the poor, poor officer who was forced to kill another human being and will now suffer the tortures of the damned (while another man will never be in a position of suffering again): the only problem here is that you are advancing your comments based on a set of assumptions grounded in the version of the shooting advanced by the police, which is directly contradicted by an eyewitness in the Victoria Times Colonist. Can't even one of you take the time to read the story and give yourself a little perspective before you spout off about that which YOU DO NOT KNOW, except in very general terms?

counter, if you are basing all of your information on the media you are extremely mis-informed. the media has a job, to sell papers, they mould and twist information to make it more reader friendly. and counter the next time you are in jam or in danger, seeing as police are not equiped to deal with tense situations in your eyes, don't call 911. handle the situation on your own.

In this province you are admitted to a bed only if you are assesed as being a threat to yourself or others. You may well be, avery sick person with no help at all or you may be mostly well enough to take medication therapy.Unfortunately bizarre and destructive behavior can erupt catastrophicaly if meds aren't taken appropriately. Ask any emergency nurse or doctor how violent these people can become.It seems to me that this tradgedy's outcome was just that....a tradgedy for all concerned.It would also be unfair to lay the blame solely on our health care system but as a society,if we want to better are for the mentally ill we had better be more vocal about it and willing to spend the money.There are a lot of ill people out there who could use better monitoring. As a last shot ....some people can just snap with little warning(or the warning signs were ignored or unseen) ticking time bombs...ther police do a pretty fine job of dealing with these cases and should be supported because they have areally difficult job to do.

Last comment here: Jeremy, you provide a perfect example of what I was posting about. Any criticism of police is met with your: "Next time you're in trouble handle it yourself!" How witty, how clever. How indicative of your gene pool. And if you have a source outside the media that you are basing your info on, then let us all in on your exclusive secret. And here I didn't think cops could navigate the Web.

Oh come on!!! the guy was Filipino. How many cops were trying to apprehend him? Are Canadian cops similar in physique as the poor dead Filipino guy? Hey gun owners, isn't there a saying that goes,"Do not bring a knife to a gun fight!" For heaven's sake, Camaso didn't even have a bladed weapon on hand that could cause instant death on persons that will be attacked! A steel pipe and an iron crowbar in the hands of a deranged and distressed man. The officers, I do not want to call you officers because you do not deserve the title, you are thugs! You cops could have shot the poor guy at the thighs or anywhere that couldn't cause immediate death! You cops just lack training maybe that you couldn't hit the legs of a moving target! I could have done better! Shame on you!

What a poor police abilities to use his gun for this situation. A very small man with a steel pipe & and a crow bar only should be treated with instant gun shoots??? This kind of police is just doing his job in a very very easy way. The target was so helpless! Majencio shouldn't have die for this police carelessness of duty.

I read everyone's comments and can't believe some of them. WE WEREN'T THERE!!! I knew Kris from years ago and he's a good guy, an intelligent guy and very experienced at what he does....and not a thug in any way Dirty Harry. I'm sure he's going through hell with this. No cop ever wants to kill someone; however, this man was so unstable that he came after a cop with weapons, doesn't matter what they were! Repeated warnings didn't stop this man, so the next thing to do is to fire their weapon. The first shot didn't stop him and probably angered him more, it took three shots to take this man down. He was pumping with anger and adrenline and God knows what else was going through his mind. Cops are taught to shoot at the torso, it's nearly impossible to shoot a moving target in the leg!! My God - use your head - this isn't the movies! He made a split second decision and not all cops are armed with tasers in Victoria, he used what was given to him. It's unfortunate that a man was killed, but that's how this incident played out with the limited information they were given by his wife to the 911 operator. My thoughts are with the family, it's tragic, very tragic, but my thoughts are also Kris. He has to live with this for the rest of his life, and really the decision he made is what he was trained to do. Protect the public, protect the other officers and attendants at the scene. I think he deserves a little compasion as well, I wish him the best!

okay, for the fourth and FINAL time: you are all debating the police version of events! THE POLICE VERSION! The only, that's THE ONLY, eyewitness told the Victoria Times Colonist that he was shot AS HE WAS COMPLYING with the police demands! He was on his way to the ground in response to shouted commands when the witness heard two shots. Your compassion for the police officer is fine, understandable, yadda yadda, but people make mistakes, and cops in B.C. seem to be making way more mistakes like this than usual. Again, you are debating a police version of events! At least acknowledge this! Christ, what a bunch of lame-ass excuses for thinking human beings! Sorry for injecting this tone into a discussion that should have been over a long time ago, but the previous writer actually said he or she had read all the other comments. This is at least the second or third acquaintance of the police officer who has contributed here that I know of, and there have been others who have obviously been fellow cops trying to influence the discussion. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

I think people choose police work for two main reasons: service or power.

Either they want a job that will help the community. Maybe are following a family tradition or continuing a military career, or just seeking an honorable profession, or they really like the idea of wearing a gun and being able to make people listen to them.

In Canada we've been lucky in that the proportion of the one has always been very high compared to the other, relative to other services. Just look at the states, and their hundreds of police forces. Even watching reality shows on TV from there, notice the proportion of bulky white officers looming over poor, brown, or damaged citizens laying on the ground. And those are the cases they selected to show the world.

That culture of mindless force will probably always be present among police, to some extent. We can only hope the other, more rational culture will prevail, and our police will not become driven by anger, fear, contempt for outsiders,and corrupt practice. Even though those things will inevitably be present in any force manned by human beings.

I think that when the police feel under attack they tend to close ranks. We should probably not lump them all together when something bad happens. After all, we ask them to step directly into harm's way, sometimes without warning. And they do it, while everybody else is looking for the exit. If we tar them all with the same brush, we encourage secrecy and resentment among them, when what we want, need, and mostly get, is brave and honorable service.

The important thing coming out of this tradegy is to find out if we can come up with a solution into how police are going to deal with mental illness in the future . It doesn't need to be stated that the constable in this case is a 'nice family guy who loves hockey and long walks on the beach ' . The important aspect is , was every other avenue of calming the situation down taken ? The constable in question had previously been in the military , which to me means he's been trained to shoot to kill the enemy or be killed yourself . Was he "deprogrammed" from this mindset after leaving military life and joining a civic police force ? Initially Junior was chased by both the police and the attending paramedics . Some how he was able to outrun all of them , get back to the trunk of his car , allowed the time to forage through the mess in his trunk to finally grab a crowbar and tire iron and THEN he came towards the officers . Eyewitnesses are useless as there have been bizarre discreprancies on both sides . If Junior was going down to the ground how did the bullets hit him in the chest ? The only way would be if he was on his knees . A little 5'2 guy on his knees ?? At one of the police news conferences they stated that he was about 1 meter away from the constable . Three police have their guns drawn , all close to a 5'2 and their only option is to yell and shoot . Three times mind you . I don't expect every officer throughout Canada to be equiped with Tasers , rubber bullets , bean bag guns or whatever else may be available , but there HAS to be a better solution than shooting 3 X . If the Saanich police are getting 300+ calls a year involving mental illness , they should be handled differently than criminal calls . In this case, initially paramedics were called to assist Junior . Maybe departments need non-uniformed trained specialists to try to calm the person down . Hopefully in the future a better thought out ,organized plan on how to deal with a situation like this will come to fruition and Junior's death will have something positive come out of it , although it will never bring him back. At least it won't rip apart 2 more families.

Vancouver police Chief Jamie Graham last year stated that he was going to get Simon Fraser University to do a study on why there is so much hatred for the police. We have not seen the results. There are citizens being refused MHA treatment at hospitals because no rooms available etc. Research shows that most police do not leave written objective reports at hospitals under the Mental Health Act, the norm is for police to give to hospital staff a verbal report explaining why police had taken a citizen to hospital under the MHA. Hospital staff in Victoria have misinterpreted police verbal reports before and have unlawfully certified citizens who should have not been taking up space in hospital. Some Citizens who have been refused treatment have committed suicide and attempted murder after being refused treatment. Police must be forced to leave a simple written objective report with the hospital staff so that when a citizen like Junior goes on his own for help there will be room for him. There were 8 witnesses that saw Anthony Dawson being struck by a Victoria cop. Dawson later died and the cop was found to have done nothing wrong. Jeff Berg in Vancouver, the Jury found the cop guilty of causing his death, and then the Chief of police says "the officer should have been congratulated for protecting the homowners" (who actually had a grow-operation). Berg's sister called for the Chief to resign. There are good police out there, but they too have to keep their mouths shut if they know something bad happened. Citizens are not calling police as often as they should. ICBC gave the Solictor Generals office 10 million dollars for extra policing. Someone once said a dead witness is no witness, and the lawsuits are minimal if a citizen dies. To the good cops get the trust of the people back, to the bad cops get rid of the badge!

If there is a situation that is out of control: 1 - quietly get out of the place; 2 - do not call the police for anything; 3 don't trust the police because they are getting training from american police officers; 4 - we no longer have community oriented police; 5 - police is there to justify their existence and instill fear in the community.

Kris, as another said, I hope you aren't reading this. To all others, I am not a police officer and never have been. I was lucky enough to meet Kris when he was here in Winnipeg and partnered up with a friend of mine. I didn't know police officers like him existed outside of old tv shows. He was the friendliest person, always with a smile, the kind of person you hope everyone wearing a bodge would be. Counter, it's too bad you have such a distaste for police, being that they do so much good in your area as opposed to the VERY few who do wrong. ONE witness said the he was on his way down... One witness. And for all we know, he may be as jaded against police as you. So as you were saying everyone was listening to the police side of the story, why are you only listening to the "witness" side of the story. What about the paramedics? You don't believe them either? For the short time I've known Kris, he is the type of person who would stand in ther and take a "few bruises" if it meant that someone would be going home instead of the morgue. Kris did peace keeping... Peace keeping. Sorry for repeating things, but too many people are posting that he had no experience in tense situations. He's seen worse things than we will ever see in Canada. Kris moved back because that's where he grew up and was always talking about how beautiful it was. He only wanted to do his part to keep it that way! I only hope he comes back with the same attitude he had right up until that unfortunate incident. You should all hope he does!

How many people here who are critical of the officer's actions have actually seen themselves in a similar situation? Only those who have should be the ones putting their two cents in.

Counter you should go to the inquest, you will find out that the truth about what happened. How many have you been mugged? While it was going on were you decisive or after it had was over did you say to yourself if only I had.....? Or worse yet your friends tell you how they would have disarmed the mugger and done a much better job than you did. Did you feel indignation at their ignorant uneducated approach to your split second decision when your safety was threatened? Did you find yourself later second guessing your actions and saying to yourself if only I had done.....? Now take that experience and magnify it to the point where the mugger doesn't want your wallet but your life. Only if you are able to do that are you able to put yourself into Cst. Kris Dukeshire's shoes.

I would like to say a simple thank-you to all the supportive people for the officers involved, the people who don't cast uninformed stones. To everyone else, although some of the comments are angering to say the least, they are not surprising. Sadly most people do believe the newspapers as gospel, I used to. This article is the most accurate, and I applaud it. I would urge people to realize they have no clue about what may have happened, or what they may do until they are in a similar situation. I am not writing this to inspire negative backlash against my comments, like I have seen on here. I name no names, everyone has the right to their thoughts and beliefs. However, I appreciate the informed, intelligent ones.

Having watched parts of the inquest, I believe that the cst did what he could, and was right in the shooting. However, if the officer had reacted in a calming manner, and holstered his service revolver, when the man was surrendering between his trips to the trunk and posing no danger, it MAY have ended differently. Cops need more training for mental illness, and more understanding, instead of handuffing and forcing subjects into compliance with physical force, using their safety as justification.

The officer knew the man had a mental illness, and was not acting rationally, possibly unable to have criminal intent to harm because of his illness.

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