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Will Libyans See Us as Saviours?
What sort of 'democracy' will we help promote there? Our record is lousy.
Libya's Khadafy: Life for many improved under his dictatorship.
Canada is at war again but you would hardly know it from the media. We should pay attention, for our part in the Libyan "mission" is a stunning example of how easily the self-righteous West can get involved in war without considering the consequences. First it was Afghanistan then Iraq, classic examples of imperial hubris, Western adventures rooted in total ignorance of the societies they were about to savage and executed with lies and manipulation of the invaders' populations.
It is amazing that the U.S. still justifies the invasion of Iraq because of a vicious dictator despite the fact that in doing so they have killed hundreds of times the number of people killed by Saddam Hussein and have set the country back a generation in terms of infrastructure, education and governance. They had to destroy the country to save it. We will be in Afghanistan for another decade.
Democracy is an easy word to throw around and it is obviously hoped that as soon as you utter the term citizens in Western developed nations will immediately fall into line behind any and all idiotic adventures. Given our recent experience here -- an extremist right-winger gets a majority government with 40 per cent of the vote -- those promoting Western "democracy" might want to display a little more humility.
Imperial hubris
Regarding Libya, Western powers managed to get a UN resolution for a no-fly zone and then the whole operation was contracted out to NATO, which has no business outside Europe. Led by the U.S. (laughably pretending to be in a "supportive" role only) and supported by Canada (and all of our federal parties), it is yet another example of both imperial hubris and incompetence. The no-fly zone mandate has been blatantly violated and has morphed, as it had to, into regime change.
How did this "limited war" happen and why? It is ridiculous to cheer on this military intervention as some sort of human rights action based on the "duty to protect." From the outset this conflict was fundamentally different from those in Tunisia and Egypt. While there was much talk about protecting civilians, the civilians they were talking about were, after a very short period of peaceful demonstrating, taking up arms against the government. Once you do that -- especially with arms that include heavy machine guns, anti-aircraft weapons, rockets and other materiel seized from the army -- you cease to be civilians. You are an armed insurrection and you are in a civil war by choice.
The slaughter of innocents in Syria, Bahrain and Yemen where civilians have not taken up arms against the state apparently don't deserve Western humanitarian assistance or intervention. Humanitarian intervention is only on the menu if you happen to have oil.
And it is almost as if the rebels -- the U.S. even now isn't sure "who they are" -- have to be reminded to talk about democracy. Mostly they just talk about overthrowing Moammar Khadafy and can't understand why the West won't just do it for them. Wanting power doesn't make you a democrat.
There is little doubt that right from the beginning there were civilians being killed by Khadafy's forces. But oddly we never got any actual numbers like we did in other conflicts such as Egypt. Now, of course, it is reported that the armed rebellion has unleashed the worst of Khadafy's ferocious revenge attacks on towns and cities held by the rebels.
So who is responsible for this brutal assault? Khadafy, of course -- no one else is pulling the trigger. But would the scores of people dying everyday be dying were it not for the ill-conceived decision to get involved with the so-called "no fly zone." The West, as usual, had such terrible intelligence on the situation in Libya that they evidently believed that wiping out the country’s air force would bring Khadafy to his knees.
Libya's pre-war standard of living
Do the leaders of the E.U. and the U.S. actually consult with their experts before they get involved in these wars? Or do they only call them in when things go sideways and the reality of their situation smacks them in the face? We know what happens in the Harper government -- the PM is contemptuous of the professional civil service and almost never consults them on anything.
What will be the final result for Libyans? To answer that it might be useful to ask what the ruthless Khadafy has done in addition to being ruthless.
Libya is not Egypt, where skyrocketing food prices were at the root of popular anger. Western leaders know this but they are loath to admit it because for a dictatorship, Libya looks pretty good in terms of the material conditions of its people. According to researcher Ian Hunter of Globalresearch.ca:
"In 1969, Muammar Qaddafi led a bloodless coup to overthrow King Idris I, a monarch imposed by the British after WWII. At the time, Libya was the poorest country in the entire world; with a literacy rate below 10 per cent. Since then, the Libyan government has improved all aspects of their society.
• Libya now has a literacy rate above 90 per cent.
• Libya has the lowest infant mortality rate of all of Africa.
• Libya also has the highest life expectancy of all of Africa.
• Less than five per cent of the population was undernourished [at the time the conflict started].
• Libya has the highest gross domestic product (GDP)... per capita of all of Africa.
• Libya has the highest Human Development Index of any country on the continent.
• In Libya, a lower percentage of people lived below the poverty line than in the Netherlands, and again, far lower than that of the United States.
• They have free health care, and education is free of charge. Talented youth have an opportunity to study abroad at the expense of the Libyan government.
• Before the chaos erupted, Libya had a lower incarceration rate than the Czech republic and far lower than the United States."
And after the bombs stop?
Just what is a democracy for? Given that the term has always been closely associated with equality, are we to believe that if Khadafy is overthrown a U.S.-style democracy will actually improve on these statistics?
Of course not. Because U.S. style democracy is "liberal" capitalist democracy which, for anyone in the third world who has experienced it, means freedom for transnational corporations to do what they please and take what they want.
Until now, whatever you might think of Khadafy, his mercenaries and his erratic behaviour, the money from the country's oil has been more equally distributed amongst the population than in any other oil-rich nation in the world with the possible exception of Norway.
If the West prevails in this phony human rights exercise three things can be predicted with virtual certainty: the oil will end up in the hands of Western oil companies; the standard of living of Libyans will drop steadily; and they won't have genuine democracy. How shall we celebrate? ![]()



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Frank
1 year ago
Saviours? Maybe
The Libyan people rose up against their government just as their neighbours to the east and west (Egypt and Tunisia) did.
If everything was sunshine and roses in the cities and towns of Libya there would have been no revolution, no brutal crackdown and no Western intervention.
There is no shame in needing outside support for a revolution. The American Revolution would have ended in failure too if it hadn't been for France and the army of Rochambeau and the fleet of de Grasse.
We should help the Libyans if they want our help and we should help the Syrians too.
zalm
1 year ago
I have to admit
Following Al Jazeera on the Arab Spring has left me with the distinct impression there is no Libyan Aung Sang Suu Kyi struggling for years to lead a large majority of ordinary people against Quadaffian oppression. No, just the regular ordinary people, some of whom could improve their lot if the order of things was shaken up, mixed in with the usual crowd of rascals and bagmen that seem to hang around wealth wherever in the world you go.
Not a word about the tribalism of the eastern and western peoples. This battle has seemed like a Canucks riot that got a bit out of hand. Most people had jobs and health care and a modest amount of freedom to criticize anyone except some aspects of the government (Ah,ah! Not a word about Canada here!)
Same in Syria, although less opportunity and more religious tension. But that's not the real issue. My sense of the problem with the remaining nations undergoing trials is that there is no significant leftist party with a tradition of debate and action against oppression on the part of anyone who cares enough to join in.
Except for Yemen, which has a rump socialist party and a remarkably hardy revolution, considering the obstacles thrown into its way, the rest of the countries have no such tradition. Even Morocco, with close ties to Spain over several hundred years, still resists any kind of political discourse in terms that Europeans or Westerners would recognize. And that makes it hard to support any of these uprisings fully, as it simply looks like trading one band of rascals and clans for another.
Except Yemen. I'm particularly taken with that revolution, given it's the adopted homeland of Osama bin Laden. It's been through a massive proxy war in the last decade fought against the US military and its puppet-leader Saleh against a variety of opponents, and yet still manages to bring that wide variety out into the streets to be shot, united only by their opposition to the head scallywag. That's inspiring.
That's not to say there is no tradition of socialist or leftist thought in the Arab world - there certainly is, in Palestine (and Israel) Egypt, Jordan and Turkey. Maybe even Dubai, although the lipstick on that pig is so think it's hard to discern anything for sure.
But without some kind of tradition that cares for people - all people regardless of race, colour, creed or clan - I fear most of these "Springs" are doomed to failure. And Western efforts yet again viewed as merely another Crusade against Islam.
mopled
1 year ago
Libyans get more for their oil than Albertans do
and the rebels the west is supporting say that they are Al CIAduh! How many clues doe you need
that NATO is out to conquer in the name of liberation.
"April 3, 2011
After two weeks of imperialist attack, Libya is being mangled by al Qaeda terrorists, civil war, NATO air raids, cruise missiles, Predator drones, and C-130 gunships – all made possible by the CIA-backed al Qaeda rebels of Cyrenaica. US, British, French, and Dutch commandos have taken leadership of the rebel forces, and are arming them with modern weapons in flagrant violation of the arms embargo specified in UN Security Council resolution 1973. Al Qaeda is also stealing heavy weapons on its own, as the president of Chad has reported. The singing tomorrows of the fatuous US-UK color revolution rhetoric have dissolved, exposing the hideous reality of a brutal, cynical, imperialist drive to destroy the modern nation-state itself."
http://tarpley.net/2011/04/03/al-qaeda-pawns-of-cia-insurrection-from-libya-to-yemen/
elbillug
1 year ago
What are your sources?
This article claims to know what Libyans need better than Libyans themselves it seems. Let's see the claims that this article makes:
- Libyans don't need democracy
- Libyans are perfectly happy and their government is providing for all their needs
- The civilians decided to start a civil war and thus should no longer be considered civilians.
- Libya is the most egalitarian nation in the world.
- the implementation of the no-fly zone is at the root of the Libyans being killed.
and so on. Having heard a number of western and non-western news sources during this uprising, the only source I've heard that seems to agree with you is Gadhafi's public relations department.
Is that your reliable source ?
Dan the socialist
1 year ago
Are average Libyans that
Are average Libyans that oppressed? I do not think so and this so called revolution was started not by the people of Libya either.
mopled
1 year ago
Banksters again
“According to a Russian article titled “Bombing of Lybia – Punishment for Ghaddafi for His Attempt to Refuse US Dollar,” Gadaffi made a similarly bold move: he initiated a movement to refuse the dollar and the euro, and called on Arab and African nations to use a new currency instead, the gold dinar. Gadaffi suggested establishing a united African continent, with its 200 million people using this single currency. During the past year, the idea was approved by many Arab countries and most African countries. The only opponents were the Republic of South Africa and the head of the League of Arab States. The initiative was viewed negatively by the USA and the European Union, with French president Nicolas Sarkozy calling Libya a threat to the financial security of mankind; but Gaddafi was not swayed and continued his push for the creation of a united Africa.
CNBC senior editor John Carneyasked, “Is this the first time a revolutionary group has created a central bank while it is still in the midst of fighting the entrenched political power? It certainly seems to indicate how extraordinarily powerful central bankers have become in our era.”
Ellen Brown, author of the terrific Web of Debt: the Shocking Truth About Our Money System and How We Can Break Free, wrote recently about the rebels’ sophisticated financial operations in the following terms:
“And that brings us back to the puzzle of the Libyan central bank. In an article posted on the Market Oracle, Eric Encina observed: ‘One seldom mentioned fact by western politicians and media pundits: the Central Bank of Libya is 100% State Owned. . . . Currently, the Libyan government creates its own money, the Libyan Dinar, through the facilities of its own central bank. Few can argue that Libya is a sovereign nation with its own great resources, able to sustain its own economic destiny. One major problem for globalist banking cartels is that in order to do business with Libya, they must go through the Libyan Central Bank and its national currency, a place where they have absolutely zero dominion or power-broking ability. Hence, taking down the Central Bank of Libya (CBL) may not appear in the speeches of Obama, Cameron and Sarkozy but this is certainly at the top of the globalist agenda for absorbing Libya into its hive of compliant nations.’”
http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn04152011.html
rangergord
1 year ago
mopled got it!
How can so called progressive journalists get it so wrong? Rambling on and on about democracy and oil while ignoring the elephant in the room. Ghadaffi knew that the seat of power in the west is that of the central bankers printing money into existence and enslaving everyone with debt. He had the courage to stand up and propose a solution that would have toppled the power of the west. After the US removed gold backing from the dollar it became backed by saudi oil as they had an agreement to only accept dollars for oil. The US exported its inflation and reaped the benefits of a strong currency at home. The cat is out of the bag now and others will continue to pursue monetary reform and crush western profligacy.
mikev
1 year ago
right on mopled
Libya takes their oil wealth and spends it on things like free health care for all, free education for all, and the Great Man-Made River Project:
http://www.galenfrysinger.com/man_made_river_libya.htm
The west would rather they spend their wealth on debt interest, so they send in the missiles to destroy one of the last publically controlled central banks in the world.
When you hear talk of bringing freedom to some country, what they mean is freedom for selected dissident groups to be pumped up by National Endowment for Democracy cash, so that the USA has even more power to correct disobedient regimes.
Canada in Afghanistan, Haiti, Libya, where will it end? Dozens of billions on fighter jets so we can continue to contribute a legion or two to the imperial army. Not proud over here.
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