Opinion

Let's Put an End to Ruling Through Fear

Canadian politics needs a game-changer. Over to you, Jack!

By Murray Dobbin, 30 Aug 2010, TheTyee.ca

NDP leader Jack Layton

Can he bring real leadership?

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As we head into a new political season it looks depressingly like the old: a stand-off between the malignant minority government of Stephen Harper and the seriously diminished Liberal Party and its hapless leader Michael Ignatieff. Both these parties and their leaders are so off the mark in terms of what Canadians want and need that they can't even break through the 30 per cent support mark. Harper seems to have written off Quebec -- a typically petulant response to that province's stubborn attraction to social democracy. The Liberals have lost their ability to connect with Quebec as well, virtually guaranteeing that the Bloc Quebecois will continue to dominate that province and make a majority federal government almost impossible.

In this seemingly pathological stalemate Harper's efforts to dismantle the federal government continue unabated. He rules the country by repeated doses of fear. It's all about keeping Canadians off-balance so they can't keep their eye on the stuff that actually matters. The census: be afraid of the evil, nosy government prying into your affairs and "intruding" into your life. The tough-on-crime bills: be afraid of the bogeyman -- especially the unreported crime that Stockwell Day wants to build prisons for (because reported crime is rapidly decreasing).

Be very afraid of Tamil refugees all waiting to form into terror cells as soon as we apply our humanitarianism to their plight. And while we should not forget to be afraid of crime, we should also find time to be afraid of the gun registry. Ignore the police who say it helps fight crime -- and learn to understand that as scary as crime is, it isn't nearly as scary as government. Better a lunatic with an untraceable gun than a "bureaucrat" interfering with your freedoms. And be afraid of the Russians (to the tune of $16 billion for useless jet fighters) whose routine training flights in the north are suddenly classified as attempted incursions into Canadian air space.   

No prime minister in our history has actually shown contempt for the very principle of government. But this is Stephen Harper, who equates government with restrictions on freedom. This is behind his absurd attack on the census: make it as difficult as possible for your own government to function properly. And if you hate Medicare as much as Harper does, then you order your health minister not to show up at the annual meeting of the Canadian Medical Association (the first time ever).

Prime opportunity for the NDP

More than one commentator has asked in exasperation: who will rid the country of this odious pretender to the office of prime minister? The answer could be the NDP -- if it is up to task. Can it rise above the game playing and the infantile tactical wars in Ottawa and actually respond to the people of the country who are seeking genuine leadership? So far the answer has been a disappointing no.

The NDP is, given the current political landscape, the only party capable of responding effectively to the stated values of most Canadians outside Quebec. The Greens, until there is proportional representation, are simply not in the game. History is made by those who show up.

I am talking about real leadership here, and I don't mean on things like child care, affordable housing and enhancing Medicare. These are absolutely critical issues and the NDP can be expected to continue to push for them. But this is not bold leadership -- almost everyone thinks we should have child care and is appalled at our poverty levels -- and Canadians have a love affair with Medicare. This is no-risk leadership. It doesn't lead at all, it just follows a safe path defined by polls and focus groups.

Be bold about your beliefs

Leadership is being out in front, challenging people to examine their values and act accordingly; it's taking a chance. As I have said before, bold leaders attract attention and support simply by being bold about things they believe in. Ronald Reagan was the best example of this. The Democrats were opportunistic to the point of nausea -- people voted for someone who actually believed what he was saying even though they most often disagreed with his policies. People know that Jack Layton doesn't really support doubling the number of people in jail -- so they know he is asking them to vote for him even though he is misleading them about what he and his party believe.

We will know if the NDP is capable of leading the country by watching a handful of key issues on which the future of the country and its political culture depend. All of them entail risk, but all of them fit well within what two thirds of Canadians say they want or would consider. In my view, all of them -- some quickly, others over time -- would boost the NDP's electoral fortunes and could begin to transform Canadian politics.

Five paths to many more votes

First, the NDP needs to be talking openly about a coalition government to replace the Harper Conservatives, and about the need for proportional representation. So far it has taken the cheap route to the high moral ground, indicating it would be willing to talk but refusing to take the lead by putting the Liberals on the spot. It's risky, but they could acknowledge the risk as worth taking to save the country.

Second, the NDP must come out talking about the critical necessity of increasing taxes -- not just on the wealthy and corporations but on the middle class who have also received unsustainable tax cuts. Taxes are the price we pay for the kind of society the NDP says it stands for. The Liberals know they are needed and would be hard-pressed to attack the NDP, especially when one of their own, John Manley, as spokesman for the largest corporations in the country, has called for tax increases.

Third, the NDP has to take a strong and uncompromising stand against the cynical crime bills that Harper intends to re-introduce this fall. There are few more humiliating chapters in the NDP's history than their previous support for these same offensive bills. To support them is to support incarcerating tens of thousands more Canadians -- competing with the U.S. for a medal in moral failure -- and accomplishing exactly nothing in terms of public safety.

Fourth, there is absolutely no excuse now for the NDP leader not to apply the whip on his caucus the issue of the long gun registry, insisting that they all vote against a Conservative private member’s bill eliminating the registry. The Liberals are now united against the bill. The leaks from the RCMP report testifying to its usefulness and cost-effectiveness and the plans by Canadian police chiefs to launch a campaign in support for the registry is all he needs to demand unity.

Lastly, the NDP must come out with a clear attack on the outrageous level of defence spending this country now takes for granted, using the $16 billion order for fighter jets as its launching point. We now spend more on defence, proportionally, that at any time since the Second World War, and Harper intends to continue increasing the defence budget for the next 10 years, given the opportunity. Yet Canada has never been less likely to be the target of a military attack. And there is no appetite for U.S.-style pre-emptive wars against "terrorist" states. 

Pour it on

The NDP party and many pundits have rightly given Jack Layton credit for reviving a party that many of its detractors predicted was virtually dead. But it is time to move beyond the incrementalist strategy of adding a few seats in each election. The country doesn't have time for it. The NDP's gradual success -- even assuming it works -- will track the steady decline of the country and a continuing change in its political culture. (Remember, Fox News North is coming). By the time the NDP "succeeds," support for social democracy may well have declined to the point where its strategy produces only a Pyrrhic victory.

It is time for game-changer -- something that will transform the political landscape, create debate, give people hope and demonstrate to Canadians that there just might be something worth voting for next time.

Over to you, Jack.  [Tyee]

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  • bilgladstone

    1 year ago

    Stephen Harper is

    Stephen Harper is dismantling Canada at an alarming and accelerating rate. Somebody stop him!

  • demotto

    1 year ago

    This myth

    "Second, the NDP must come out talking about the critical necessity of increasing taxes -- not just on the wealthy and corporations but on the middle class who have also received unsustainable tax cuts."

    needs to be challenged. If the governments had not allowed the private Banksters to create our money supply there would be need for but a modest tax which could be adjusted up or down to soak up excess money if not needed or increase money supply if needed so as keep prices stable. The corporations should borrow from private Banksters and pay their fair share of taxes instead of being the main recipients of government welfare. The simple fix is to create the money supply through the Bank of Canada interest free or at negligible interest. If this one thing was done we would no longer be in debt and could afford all the social programs we so dearly cherish. But not a single politician will put forth this option as they are all bought and paid for by the Bankster Gangsters.

  • dorothy

    1 year ago

    Yeah, good going!

    So, you're set to 'harvest' the disenchanted middle-voters who see no possible future for the Liberals and consider the Greens to be fringe lunatics, are you? Those people who want good, but not too fat, government, and who also have as part of their mindset that they want a deal of autonomy, no nanny-state and no one telling them how to spend their discretionary money. These are the people you think to attract, right, since they are mainly the ones not voting now, having long since found out that networking is a far better tool for furthering their life goals than going the long,tortuous path of working change through parliamentary democracy...

    So, why don't you start by declaring your intent to clip some of those aspirations to autonomy? increase the taxes precisely on these people. Make sure they DON'T have so many choices of not living hand-to-mouth and building for the next generation through hard work and frugality. Take it away, so they'll know not to get arrogant. And show them, too, that they don't call the shots (pun intended). when it comes to those odious long guns. Too bad they can even have them. But at least inject a little fear of some-day-confiscation (never mind that the same records will be available to an occupying force), again so they don't go and think they are anybody.

    In other words: Go after the KULAKS among us. Then we can all have peace.

    Or can we???

  • freebear

    1 year ago

    No Political Guts

    becauee if you have you'll soon be gutted and filleted like a sockeye salmon by the staus quo media and political parties (all followers of growth and pushers of the addictive burning of fossil fuels)!

  • Fiat lux

    1 year ago

    The world has always been

    The world has always been ruled by fear. Government by fear is a historical, human tradition. The fear of the divinely anointed ruling classes, usually endorsed and forced on the public by religions, just as the present crime wave is forced on the world by the religion and Priesthood of the Money God, falsely known as "economists".

    The minute the multinational corporate mafia, the new Lords of the Universe, feel that there might be any chance for the fall of Harper, or even of him not reaching a majority, the threats will start of "capital flight", the :loss of jobs, jobs ,jobs". etc. to force him on us.

    In my 54 years as a Canadian voter, I've never seen a poorer quality of leadership, and a worse lack of logical, democratic and humanly acceptable policies promoted by either party.

    Harper is a brainwashed, miseducated, outright fascist. A fundamentalist religious and ideologically warped maniac, with borderline insanity written all over him.. If he ever gets a majority, we can kiss goodbye to Canada and any personal freedoms.

    Ignatieff is nothing from nowhere.

    Layton has no presence, a very poor debater and speaker, who fails to capture people's attention and imagination..

    The growth of the NDP caucus has more to do with the Reform/CRAPP, and Liberal gangs lost in the wilderness, than Layton's efforts. The party is dangling without policies, buried in whining complaints, while trying not to upset the Lords of the Universe, ruling with the perceived power of non existing, imaginary money.

    When Layton came to Williams Lake during his leadership quest, I've asked a friend to ask for his opinion of the NAFTA, the worst case of fascist ruling racket, in my name.

    His answer was something like: "A lot of people are having jobs from it"
    That was all. The question obviously made him uncomfortable.

    Never saw any evidence, ever since, that he might have changed his mind or advocated any democratically and economically acceptable policies.

    At the same time, under the present, dismal, circumstances, a coalition government between the Liberals and the NDP would definitely be far better than the slightest chance for a Harper/corporate mafia dictatorship.

    Ed Deak.

  • alive

    1 year ago

    Where the tax $ goes?

    Reflecting on Dorothy's piece: the underground economy is what causes the tax revenue to drop.
    Bartering and "networking" is what is happening and it happens in certain parts of society that have something to barter with, meaning the average Joe is left out holidng the short end of the stick.
    I would prefer if NDP stuck to its roots, and worked on behalf of the poor and disenfranchised.

    That too would make for leadership that is noted, and that would be believable!

    Let the Iggy's and Harpo's make fools of themselves changing policies as the polls change.

    Sure the NDP should be open to any coalition that even in a small way could help its cause, but it should avoid any official arrangement till after an election and then decide what serves the purpose.

  • Skywalker

    1 year ago

    Dorothy, I know what you are trying to say but...

    ...any comparison of increased taxes for the banks and the wealthy among us to Stalin's dekulakization is pure nonsense. Making the corporate sector finally pay their fair share is hardly "clipping aspirations". Maybe it is just about giving voice to people and not faceless corporate entities.

  • puppyg

    1 year ago

    Jack Layton's determination

    Jack Layton's determination is really just stubbornness coupled with a critical inability to strategize... at this point, he is beyond irritating.

    Harper is in power today because of Layton's obsession with sticking it to the Liberals.

    Now the gun registry will die because of another of Layton's bad decisions. The man has no grip on the threat Harper represents to our Canadian way of life.

    More votes for Ignatieff, yes, but a tougher battle. Thanks for nothing, Jack.

  • Camero409

    1 year ago

    The NDP can lead!

    It was Ed Broadbent who ensured the NDP would remain in 3rd place during the late 1970's. 'Progressive" Conservatives were in a minority postion and Trudeau was on the ropes. Joe Clark the PM lost the non-confidence motion tabled by the Liberals and the NDP abstained from voting allowing the Liberals to win the next election in 1980. Had the NDP supported Clark, Trudeau would have left politics and the NDP would have been in a great position to win the next election or at least become the Official Opposition.

    Ah, but for that vote the NDP would have or could have. Had they won that 1980 election it would have changed Canada's direction from becoming more hosatile and supportive of World Bank and the Bilderberg Group's polices to a more peaceful nation.

    Yes they can lead but will they avoid the folly of supporting the Liberals again?

  • shepsil

    1 year ago

    So quit whining

    Check out the NDP. After being in business for 25 years, I joined the BCNDP. While they may not be perfect (who is?), they are a compassionate group of people who truly understand the grassroots of this country. No other party even comes close to really being a party of the people.

    Besides, the "corporate/christian" neo-Con-servatives are supported by our equally neo-Liberals and by the vote splitting neo-Greens. As for Quebec:

    "Harper seems to have written off Quebec -- a typically petulant response to that province's stubborn attraction to social democracy."

    If the language barrier can be overcome, Quebec would be the most fertile NDP ground in the country.

  • mcccarthy

    1 year ago

    the voter problem

    I do think the NDP could take a bolder stance BUT the problem is the voter. Over 80% of canadians consistently say their top values are health care, social safety net etc and then during an election vote for the two parties whose public mandates state they do not support these positions. There is a huge disconnect between what a canadian says they value and their actions. Many people I have spoken to don't even consider the federal NDP as a valid party yet have no idea what their policies are. It is an automatic dismissal mechanism wedged in voter's brains that there are only two parties. Of course media ignoring the NDP doesn't help.

  • CanadianLatitude

    1 year ago

    But the Sheep either are not

    But the Sheep either are not listening or don't care...

  • Cool Hand

    1 year ago

    Tax and Spend NDP?

    Quote:
    The NDP must come out talking about the critical necessity of increasing taxes ... on the middle class who but have also received unsustainable tax cuts. Taxes are the price we pay for the kind of society the NDP says it stands for.

    Yay! Just what the average middle-classe voter is clamouring for. Forget about the HST - that's peanuts in comparison.

    With such "tax and spend" NDP thinkin', they will be decimated and thrown into the political dustbin of history.

  • Fiat lux

    1 year ago

    Profits and the obscene

    Profits and the obscene executive salaries are also a form of taxation that come out of the public's pockets, without ant control or expectations for any benefits.

    The lowest paid executive of Manley's gang is taking home around $2. million per year. The CEO of the Royal Bank was paid $42 or 45 million in 08. All from the public's and the underpaid employees' pockets.

    Wealth can not be created, only taken. At least the public can expect some returns for taxes, instead of seeing their money going to take over the economies of some starving countries in the name of "foreign investment", the biggest and dirtiest racket.

    But where are the politicians to explain the facts of life to the public?

    Ed Deak.

  • Jerry Munro

    1 year ago

    It Ain't Coming Back...

    Actually, Fait Lux says it about as well as could be.

    The full reality is however, that all the current parties to the system have been party to, to one degree or another, by ommission and commision, but as much by quiet complicity, the destruction of the postwar Social Democratic State. In short, they have all, without exception known to me, been intimidated and ruled by fear themselves, of the global determination of corporate capitalism to reset the socio-economic development clock back, and to destroy the legacy that was the Social Democratic State.

    And contrary to all the lingering, dreamy illusions of Social Democrats, complicit with dreams of "reforming" capitalism still, there is no going back to this Social Democratic State. The ruling class knows it, and we should as well. The Social Democratic State was the death of capitalism by a thousand cuts, had the logic of it been allowed to continue, as opposed to the one swift blow of revolution. And "they" will not allow this logic of socio-economic development to return to what it was. And they will implement fascism rather than allow it. Which the global ruling class is making very clear to one and all. (Did you check out the Glen Beck Rally in the US?)

    It is time for Social Democratis to do something they have never done. Face up to the grim political and economic reality of capitalism and its rulers' current intentions. (Parliaments are not the real rulers, but only the flunkies.)

    Though some will finally waken to this real world, I'm not holding my breath for most to do so.

    The old postwaR Social Democratic State is history. It ain't coming back anymore than is the old Bolshevik Revolution State. Time to move on... and prepare for the new real fight that has to be fought; for a new order of things, political AND economic democracy, without capitalism or the capitalists and the trail of wanton destruction they are leaving across the social landscape and the planet.

  • crh

    1 year ago

    reality

    When will voters realize that the opposite of tax and spend is spend and create big debt. That is what Harper and his cronies do all the time. Look at Campbell and his friends? WTF is the difference?

    I'll tell you, the difference is that with adding debt, you can get elected.

  • Frank

    1 year ago

    puppyg

    The NDP is responsible for Harper being in power? I'd be interested to learn why you think that.

  • Frank

    1 year ago

    (Cool Hand) Luke

    Taxation for many people in BC has increased due to your guy's ideology. The debt burden for everyone in BC has increased due to your guy's ideology.

    I'll wait and see if that ideology is confined to the dustbin of history or whether you'll still be promoting it in future.

  • rick up north

    1 year ago

    You're Wrong Murray

    Your 5 paths do not resonate with the voters in the middle. Your 5 paths will lead directly to where they have always lead the federal NDP - disappointment, self satisfied feelings of superiorty over our fellow citizens to the right of us, and 18% or less of the popular vote.

    The only 'bold' move that the NDP needs to make is the one it has always needed to make, the one that shoves the party and people like you from the left to the middle.

    I like Jack and appreciate what he did to keep the NDP alive, but he and the party have squandered a historic opportunity to occupy the vacuum created by the collapse of the Liberals. I'll be happy to contribute to Jack's retirement gift.

    Someone from the tradition of Harcourt, Romanow, Rae, Doer, or Blakely and yes, maybe even Broadbent - That's the kind of leadership the NDP, and the country, needs today.

  • Frank

    1 year ago

    Murray

    The NDP is not in charge of its own future. The voters will decide what party is elected to govern the country and the NDP has very little input into that decision.

  • Frank

    1 year ago

    rick up north

    Allan Blakeney was to the Left of Layton. He was a big proponent of state intervention in the economy and public ownership of resource industries.

    Layton's never been in power but I doubt we'd see as left-wing a government from him as those of us from Saskatchewan saw from Mr Blakeney or his right-hand man, Roy Romanow.

  • lynn

    1 year ago

    The dictator. The dilettante. The disinclined.

    This is not a good dance card for Canada.

    I think it was Kafka that once said: "The nonexistent is whatever we have not sufficiently desired."

    What lack of desire on our part has produced such low expectations?

  • puppyg

    1 year ago

    "The NDP is responsible for

    "The NDP is responsible for Harper being in power? I'd be interested to learn why you think that."
    ---------------------------
    Frank - For a diversity of opinions, try googling 'Jack Layton, blame, Stephen Harper, rise to power'. Have you forgotten Jack's relentless attacks on the Federal Liberal carbon tax proposal that herded tax-averse voters into the new Con corral? All his noises suggest that he will do it again and again. The gun registry cock-up is just his latest folly.

  • Fiat lux

    1 year ago

    The NDP's biggest problem

    The NDP's biggest problem has always been the lack of communications talent, and never more than right now. This applies both at the BC and federal levels.

    The corporate mafia and the so called "conservatives", in reality the fascists, can afford to buy the services of the best mind bender propagandists, now disguised as "prestigious economic think tanks" and mislead people down the garden path and to their own ruin.

    However, the other biggest lesson of history is that criminal ruling systems, otherwise known as empires, always go that one fatal step too far and self destruct. As we have seen it in the case of an endless numbers and most recently the Soviets and in the now ongoing self destruction of the US empire, held up by and totally reliant on stockmarket gamblers for survival.

    How and when the present criminal system is going to kill itself is difficult to predict, but it will happen and this blog we're on now, and many others, are the best example of the growing dissatisfaction.

    One of the best cause for self destruction is that the system is built and relies on so called "competitiveness" for its survival and it is a physical reality that competitive systems wear themselves out and die.

    No competitive system has ever survived, or can ever survive. The secret for survival is cooperation to the highest degree.

    Ed Deak.

  • Skywalker

    1 year ago

    Move to the middle? Horsefeathers!

    I love it. People who have for years voted liberal now, when they can't vote for Iggy, want the NDP to move to the middle. What in heaven's name do we need another bunch of spineless conservative for anyway. That is all the federal liberals ever were. Harper the neocon will have been successful if everyone moves to the middle leaving the voter without any real choice. Never mind left or middle; put Canada first and putting Canada first means you don't sell out to American corporate interests. The last thing the world needs is a bunch of Harpers and Harper wannbees.

  • alive

    1 year ago

    There is no vacuum!

    Coyoteman said: "the destruction of the postwar Social Democratic State. In short, they have all, without exception known to me, been intimidated and ruled by fear"

    OH yeah? Tommy Douglas encountered the intimidation and managed to get most of his programs accepted!

    Perhaps what we need is leaders who are ready to say what they mean and stand by their words?

    NDP has had its share of mealy-mouth candidates who worried more about polls than about the electorate.

    The nonsense about filling the vacuum left by the liberals is just that; people abandon parties that waffle on issues.
    Had Dion stayed in power his green-plan would eventually have been understood and his initiative appreciated. Instead they shift with the latest poll and people wonder what the hell they stand for!

    There are enough lower income voters to form a majority, so forget about the notion of being "all-encompassing" and focus on honestly stating that NDP represent lower income folk, white- as well as blue- collar.

  • Jerry Munro

    1 year ago

    Read My Lips...

    "OH yeah? Tommy Douglas encountered the intimidation and managed to get most of his programs accepted!"

    Ancient, ancient history. The NDP, the reason they called it first the New Party, and then the New Democratic (US?) Party, is because they were not to be, and are not, the same creature. Indeed, except for starry eyed true believers, they are from Uranus and Mars. The CCG was proudly "socialist", and didn't try to hide from it, at least in its early days.The NDP is nothing if it ain't a closeted Liberal, and that was the intent.

    We are talking apples and oranges when we are talking CCF and NDP, Jack Layton and Tommy Douglas.

    In any case, the Social Democratic State of capitalism is dead, dead, dead. Even Jesus ain't gonna raise this one from the grave again, in which the capitalist ruling class and everyone to the Parliament of Capitalism dug the hole and buried it in the backyard, as quiet as possible in the dead of night. And it ain't going to be dug up and raised up again without Jesus or the naive perpetrators getting crucified again.

    Read my lips. Global capitalism ain't gonna allow it. They were being killed by a thousand cuts by the reforms direction of the Social Democratic State. It got to a point for them that, they might as well fight The Revolution anyway, that everyone was trying to avoid when they allowed the Social Democratic State to happen in the postwar first place.

    And you know what. the ruling class was and is right. they actually know of what they speak in this regard. Cut by cut, the Social Democratic State was going to have the same effect as a revolution anyway. Just more long and drawn out, with The End drawing ever nearer.

    They are not going to allow it, no more... this side of a revolution in fact. Ask Glen Beck and his US Empire Loyalist wannabes here in Canada. They'll spell it out for you... if they are being honest. :-)

    Which is not their long suit, I'll grant. :-) Eh, girls? :-)

  • demotto

    1 year ago

    Political parties

    Political parties are irrelevant as long as the Bankster Gangsters are permitted to create the money at interest out of nothing it matters not a bit who is the government as they all lick the boots of the Bankster Gangsters.

  • Frank

    1 year ago

    puppyg

    Whether or not people believe Layton got Harper elected has little to do with the facts of the matter.

    As for his attacks on the Libs, why not? The Liberals deserve to be attacked based on their policies. I see no reason to give them a pass.

  • Skywalker

    1 year ago

    I should ask Glen Beck?

    The man is a moron with a loud mouth and in the U.S.of A. even a moron has followers. Stpid people can get rich in a capitalist system every day. To suggest that Canada will one day be country where such a moron has influence is frightening and all the more reason to fight the whole corporate mentality. Sheesh Glen Beck?

  • turbo_espresso

    1 year ago

    Not a snowball's chance in hell

    I've generally supported the NDP, though sometimes have strategically voted Liberal in the past. I also couldn't agree more that Stephen Harper's policies are leading this country nowhere, aided by lack of effective opposition/alternative vision from the Ignatieff Liberals.
    The NDP has a tricky job in formulating policy owing to it's many diverse factions. However, 2 of your prescriptions don't make sense to me:
    1) The prevailing view in Keynesian economics is to increase govt spending & reduce taxes in order to stimulate demand-side recovery when in a recession. Conversely, governments need to curb spending and increase taxes when the economy is growing strongly in order to maintain balanced budgets and keep inflation in check. It is the second part of this prescription that governments often lack the discipline to implement. Most successful long-term economic development since WW2 has followed this pattern until challenged by neoliberalism in the 1980s. Anyhow, what I want to get around to saying is that it makes no sense for the NDP or any other party interested in getting elected to call for higher taxes in the middle of a recession, since it (tax hike) is recessionary by nature. Much better would be to propose a tax shift away from regressive sales taxes (GST), offset by an increase in income taxes (esp to higher income earners), which would make the tax structure more progressive.
    2) Forcing party discipline on support of the long-gun registry is a good way to ensure no NDP candidate ever gets elected in any rural constituency. Nathan Cullen's (NDP, Skeena-Bulkley) recent vote in support of Bill C-391 shows that he wants to get re-elected in an area where hunting is part of the way of life. A handgun registry is uncontroversial. Supporting a long gun registry will get you lukewarm support from urbanites, but adamant, united opposition in rural areas, including First Nations communities.

  • Jerry Munro

    1 year ago

    "Sheesh Glen Beck?"

    "Sheesh Glen Beck?" Skywalker.

    I see my point was made. :-)

  • dorothy

    1 year ago

    Putting them together...

    "Making the corporate sector finally pay their fair share is hardly "clipping aspirations"

    That is certainly true, but the wording in the piece was "Second, the NDP must come out talking about the critical necessity of increasing taxes -- not just on the wealthy and corporations but on the middle class who have also received unsustainable tax cuts."

    It is so-o-o-o old socialist stuff to pluck at that beleaguered already buck-naked middle class! I have painful experience of the extremes to which it can go: In my old country when I left it, 4% of any equity in owner-occupied homes was being slapped on top of other taxable income and so hit with a marginal tax rate, in order to satisfy the envy of non-homeowning blokes, many of whom had drunk and eaten up their potential down-payment. This was money that had already been taxed once, but we couldn't risk these people leaving the house to their children, could we? that would make them think they were somebody. Whenever I see this lust crop up for more taxes on those who 'have' something, even if they came by it by honest means and it's already been taxed once if not twice or more, then I do speak up, for only that way will we not do the same dumb things they did in Denmark. They actually had a small-scale but very viable manufacturing economy that could compete solely on super quality, not on cheap raw materials annd not on cheap labour. And they went and killed it by meanspirited taxation and witch-hunting, because these were the 'capitalists' that could be seen by all the people, never mind the big ones that couldn't. Those still thrive, but have their ships registered under foreign flags and their factories in other lands.

    If 'they' cannot do better, don't dare to get leadfooted on the TAX pedal. You won't get my vote.

    On another note, I totally agree with Ed Deak in his piece about empires and how they live and die.

  • farbc

    1 year ago

    Bank of Canada

    Lets give Jack Layton a proposal that would cause his stomach to roll. Prior to Canada joining the Group of 7 all of our Federal Government borrowing was done with the Bank of Canada. We had a manageable debt at the end of world war II. Then along came Trudeau as Prime Minister, as a condition of joining the Group of 7 we had to agree to borrow our Government money needs from the Banks, hence we now have an immense debt. We should be after Layton to propose that we Quit the Group of 8 and the Group of 20 and revert back to borrowing our government dollar needs from the Bank of Canada.What did we gain by the last Group 8 meeting in Toronto. The cost didn't justify the benefits. We saw many young persons arrested even though they were only witnesses to the overall events.

  • maudiebones

    1 year ago

    Leadership

    Dear Jack,
    Please show your leadership ability by whipping the vote in favour of the gun registry. Canadian women everywhere will thank you!

  • Fiat lux

    1 year ago

    Only governments have the

    Only governments have the legal right to "create" and own money, but they gave away the right of money creation, to private banks.

    Before deregulation , in Canada's case by Mulroney in 1991, banks were permitted to make loans, or rather to "create" money at around $20. for every dollar on deposits.

    According to the banking lobbyists, this hampered so called Investment" and economic development. So now they are "creating" hundreds, or even thousands of dollars of worthless, imaginary money to collectivize, and colonize the world with, by buying control of resources and thereby controlling economies.

    In other words:"Money has become a licence for the control of resources/energy,issued by a special interest sector for its own benefit" What a racket !!!!!!!!!

    The funniest part is that, although the government, which means the public, really owns the money "created" by the private banks, our braindead governments are borrowing the money we already own at high interest rates.

    The purpose of the establishment of the Bank of Canada was to provide interest free loans to all governments.

    So, who killed this logical and beneficial system, replacing it with
    legalized theft, by forcing people to pay interests on monies they own?

    When I was living in England from 1948 to 55, some people were paying 90% of their income in graduated taxes.

    Even the ancient Greeks, including, I believe Plato, ( a long time since I studied these facts) considered that the highest wages paid shouldn't be more than 10 times of the lowest in a business.

    Which means that a business that pays , say $20,000 to a minimum wage earner shouldn't pay more than $200,000 to the CEO, instead of millions, stolen from the public

    Then we also have overcapitalization, which used be considered, and taught i old economic textbooks, at over 1 wage year investment per job, but now we have tens and even hundreds of wage years invested for every job, which is killing the economy by the misdirection of the benefits of resource conversion.

    Will humanity ever wake up to this fraud, taught in our universities as a "science" ?

    Ed Deak.

  • realisticman

    1 year ago

    maudiebones

    Jack has the answer to your question here - if you can find it:

    http://www.ndp.ca/building-bridges

    Let me know what he said.

  • Cynic

    1 year ago

    "bold leaders attract

    "bold leaders attract attention and support simply by being bold about things they believe in."

    Oh I don't know. The boldest leader I've seen is Paul Hellyer, who started a new political party funded by not a little of his own money, a party whose main plank was money reform i.e. just use the Bank of Canada to properly fund public expenditure. The Canadian Action Party was stoned by the corporate media with a definite lack of attention.

    As several posters allude to above, money reform is really the only answer. As long as progressives like Dobbin and this website refuse to expose the reality of debt slavery that is being imposed on us, we will continue to witness the steady descent of our society towards some fascist horror. Society needs to be informed, and we're not getting it here.

  • demotto

    1 year ago

    This is so true

    Time to wake up.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cd-SLRyuRq0

  • demotto

    1 year ago

    Enlightening

    A six part documentary that needs to be shared with as many people as possible.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYRdlegDYwo&feature=related

  • Fiat lux

    1 year ago

    The stupidest thing about

    The stupidest thing about debt is that our so called "economists" and politicians are still account it as growth of the GDP.

    Of course the stupid sector is not the instigators, but the believers who are convinced that everything is OK, we're heading out of the recession by getting deeper into debt.

    But isn't debt the best chain of slavery and the best weapon in the hands of the slave masters?

    Ed Deak.

  • demotto

    1 year ago

    Jack Layton

    This is a quote from Jack Layton on Aug 30
    "I am also announcing we’re proposing legislation empowering municipalities to ban handguns from their streets, if their citizens choose that."
    When exactly were we allowed to have handguns on the streets. Does he mean municipalities can ban the Peace Officers from carrying handguns as if I'm not mistaken they are the only ones permitted to now ?

  • G West

    1 year ago

    Policy is very clear...

    ... I’ll be clear: If Bill C-391 stands unamended, I will vote against it.

    That means, for those who can't seem to understand the English language, that Layton does not support trashing the gun registry - the same one that has the unequivocal support of Canada's chiefs of police....

  • RockyRacoon

    1 year ago

    It is up to US not Jack Layton: We have to force him to do what

    we want if he wants our support. And no we cannot be afraid to tell people of our plans to socialize the commanding heights. We have to start another days of action nation wide and end them in Ottawa and be ready since we are doing this through parliamentary democracy we have to subject our leaders to instant recall if they vaccilate on our platform. We have alot going against us. Hegemony or all major communications outlets are all owned by capitalist and their is no reason to tax the so called middle class-I hate the self appointed guardians of the status quo with their petty bourgeois morals who detest violence blah blah blah but have no concept of the economic violence done by capitalism to each and all every day of the year. Their is more than enough money to tax the rich and let everyone have a decent lifestyle to go along with it. The banks are the first thing we need to take over and that should be easy enough once we open the books and show everyone how crooked every thing is. And the governemt welfare for the business class-well it is pay back time. But if you expect jack Layton and the NDP to do this forget it-not without overwhelmeing support from the ground up. So if you see the NDP as the vehicle to socialism you have better join that party and radicalize the hell our of it. A coalition with the Liberals who want Jack to first swear off socialism? How about a coalition where the Libs swear off capitalism there is enough reason to do so but people need to be empowered first-we just went through 60 years of cold war rhetoric that has penetrated deeply into the consciousness of the west. In fact Harper wanted to build a momunment to all those who fought against communisim thinking we may have forgotten who actually defeated the Fascists during WW2. it was the Russians who paid the greatest price Americans who sacrificed least and benefited most financing the rebuilding of the world after Europe was turned to cinder...Anyway relying on the political talk shop as it is now constituted will get you no where. Layton won't even become the official opposition if he doesnt' cater to those people that do vote. So are you ready to get out there and make the chanages that need to be made? Join the party and radicalize it. Split it up if you have to but Layton can only go as far as we can take him. That is what socialism from below is isn't it?
    Cheers,
    RR

  • realisticman

    1 year ago

    No Whip. Divided they Stand.

    Layton's leadership could be hurt by gun-registry vote

    "If MPs in each of the four federal parties follow through on their stated voting intentions on Bill C-391, an act to scrap the federal long gun registry, it will be the divided NDP caucus that will cause the registry's demise, an outcome that critics say would be bad for both urban NDP MPs and Leader Jack Layton."

    http://www.thehilltimes.ca/page/view/gun-08-30-2010

    The Liberals will use it against them in the city centres.

  • Fiat lux

    1 year ago

    It would be quite stupid to

    It would be quite stupid to see Harper gaining majority to sell Canada on the basis of a non issue, like the gun registry.

    I don't like guns, but as a rancher have to have some, all duly registered. Usually, only use one to make some noise to scare away predators.

    Which may include human predators we had cruising around here lately, breaking into houses and terrifying people.

    But still can't see any real purpose for the registry, apart from being another bureaucratic hysteria to pacify some people. Probably the majority of long guns is not registered even now . The cops estimate some 7 million.

    Ed Deak.

  • realisticman

    1 year ago

    Ed Deak

    Good to see you agreeing with the Conservatives again.

    It does seem as though Ignatieff and the Liberals are using this as a wedge issue.

    " OTTAWA — Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff warned Monday that NDP Leader Jack Layton will be held personally responsible for scrapping the long-gun registry if he fails to whip his MPs for a nail-bitter vote next month.

    “If gun control dies on September 22nd, it will be because Jack Layton and the NDP failed to show leadership,” Ignatieff said in a news release, adding Layton was “putting politics before principle.”

    http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2010/08/30/15186906.html

  • Frank

    1 year ago

    r'man

    Thanks for pointing out a clear example of the Liberals attacking the NDP.

    If the Libs want NDP support they're going to have to change.

  • dorothy

    1 year ago

    Canadian women everywhere will thank you!

    Some Canadian women will not. Registering your guns is not that onerous, but you wonder how the registry might be used by people with nefarious agendas. I can imagine half a dozen possibilities. But politicians have no imagination. Also, I think Jack Layton is completely out to lunch on how to address gun violence. It's about attitudes, mindsets, and culture, and about being able to read. There are studies up and down the ying-yang, to establish that violent crime is inversely proportional to literacy, and we are a country with close to 40% functional illiteracy and not winning. The daily rag's 'raise a reader' campaign is a less lame effort in helping against gun crime than any word issuing from the mouths of nanny-state politicos. I think they just want to be able to step people in the face and be sure to suffer nothing worse than the occasional pie thrown at them.

  • Fiat lux

    1 year ago

    If it takes the gun registry

    If it takes the gun registry to keep Harpo from majority, or even to banish him from politics into a sting of lucrative directorships, then I'll vote for the registry at any time.

    The guy is a menace and a disaster waiting to happen. Come to think of it, it already has happened, when he left the anti medicare NCC to sell off Canada.

    As far agreeing with the so called "conservatives", where are they? All I can see are the fascists of my childhood, enslaving people .

    Ed Deak.

  • Jerry Munro

    1 year ago

    High Ground and Shape Shifting...

    "I hate the self appointed guardians of the status quo with their petty bourgeois morals who detest violence blah blah blah but have no concept of the economic violence done by capitalism to each and all every day of the year. " Rockyracoon.

    I don't share your view on the potential usefulness of the NDP corpse, but otherwise I think you are correct. The Trots and other sundry left wingers and progressives have been chipping away at this right wing social democratic entity, and trying to breathe new/old life into it over the entire postwar down to the present, to little lasting effect or consequence.

    There comes a time, sometimes, when you have to cut your losses and move on. The NDP is one of those, the historical experience suggests to me. It is destined for a seat at the Liberal Party table in fact, I suspect... which is going to drive "the left", or that part of it with actual principles, out of the Party in any case. Sharing the political marital bed with the Liberal Party is the NDP wet dream now... that'x the sorry fact of life that has to be faced up to, I'm afraid.

    It's wait and see, if one is still unconvinced, or start preparing the high-ground to retreat to now. I favour preparing the high ground now, and doing the necessary "shape shifting" en route.

    And this can be done, even while continuing to cling to the old NDP apron strings, by those who just can't let go of the long ago dream now shattered, and stroking it for signs of life and a response. :-)

    It's Code Blue time, kiddies. And the patient is comatose and cheyne stoking.

  • haiga

    1 year ago

    Harper (& Campbell) Governing by Fear

    Closely related reading: Tony Judt's ILL FARES THE LAND and John Allemang's G&M column last Saturday. I would like to think Jack L. has the interest and energy to take on this crucial topic. But first the moustache has to go. If he did that it could be a signal of change!

  • Jerry Munro

    1 year ago

    I'll buy that...

    "But first the moustache has to go. If he did that it could be a signal of change!" wrote haiga.

    Laughing my ass off. Which successfully mimics the social democratic depth of analysis about spot on.

    Shave your moustache off, Jack, and signal the coming change!

    I'll buy that. :-)

  • OwlRol

    1 year ago

    Fear, faith & apathy

    Murray D., either you have access to my e-mail or my brain waves. Three weeks ago I sent my family a message about the census, Stockey's unreported crime, super prisons, Harpo's appointments and dismissals, Kairos funding cuts, Yankee fighter planes (at least Laurier's "Tinpot navy" and King's "Arsenal of democracy" provided Canadians with jobs), ongoing power shift to the PMO's office, and so on. I don't put much faith in Murray's NDP solution.

    The problem is these suburban relations in a different part of Canada don't seem to care much, so long as they can continue living their lifestyles. People and families who fail, disappear from those neighbourhoods. The worst are the born-again part of the family who think that Harpo can walk on water and do no wrong. The failures are accredited to a less than pure lifestyle in God's eyes.

    I cynically suggested that the new fighters would be useless in the Arctic; short range with few airfields and they can't sink submarines. Besides, who do we want to go to war with, the Danes? Peter MacKay's statement about a fighter for the 21st century was incredibly erroneous, given technological change. Similar claims were made in 1911, yet fighter technology had soared by 1920. Given World War I, that might be expected, but technology changes far more rapidly today than 100 years ago. In the next few years, remote controlled Aerosondes with far greater, nonhuman maneuverability will become the norm. The only remaining purposes for these craft will be to patrol the tar sands from Cold Lake or sink refugee ships before they can land on our shores.

    My fear is the loss of democratic process, begun some time ago, but accelerated over the last few years, a return to a sort of conservatism that never really existed.

    coyoteman, I essentially agree with your capitalism bashing, but I don't see a coherent alternative. Armed revolution of a global nature is certainly not in the cards, especially with little support while times are reasonably good for most westerners and aspirations of "makin it" still abound elsewhere. What sort of revolution can be implemented in the near future? Besides, what do you think all those super prisons are being built for? Global change, be it political or natural catastrophe (eg. Pakistani flood victims), will increase, many will suffer, but the wealthy elite least of all, and the rapturerites won't care because all this was ordained to happen.

  • Skywalker

    1 year ago

    Not the mustache.

    Good diversion but finally somebody who looks good in a mustache and you want him to shave it off? Let's see Harper and Ignatieff in one. That would be a good laugh.

  • G West

    1 year ago

    @dorothy

    With reference to a question you posed to me on another thread (which has now been closed)...

    My point was in response to what Okanagan Orchardist had written - something I suggested was both illogical and lacking in empirical proof, I'll quote the passage for you:

    Quote:
    The big difference between his parents and the Tamils is that the Canadian government at the time INVITED his parents and others like them to come to Canada because they KNEW they would make good citizens---and this has proven true for the 85 years and 3 generations that our people have been in Canada. We did not bring with us any "baggage." And we have repaid the whole world many times over for the priviledge(sic) of being allowed to come into Canada.

    That's why I wrote the line about the unknowable....not to mention the obvious extension of the idea to the unprovable. Which is, after all, from a refugee and immigrant point of view, the reason people 'get' second chances - or at least I'd have thought so.

    Going through bureaucratic hoops to accumulate 'points' when there is a regime in place to short circuit that methodology for 'sports' stars and individuals with several hundreds of thousands of dollars seems rather to make mincemeat of the argument that refugees looking for another chance by 'crashing' a largely artificial queue are doing something particularly reprehensible...

    And of course, that's why (among other reasons) the hypocrisy in this whole debate is, in my view, so thick and slippery on the ground - not least because the minister in charge is Vic Toews.

    I think the point of what I wrote (and my specific references to Toews and what I feel is questionable about his record) is clear in the context and relative to the points Okanagan Orchardist had made about what I wrote.

    I'll add only one other point about this debate and that's to suggest that I still think Seth's arguments are legitimate and worthy of both serious thought and discussion.

    I and he, I think, like the idea and the record of Canada as a country with a compassionate nature...it's something that wasn't true of Canada between the wars and I think it's something we're fast losing sight of today.

    More's the pity.

  • Jerry Munro

    1 year ago

    Kissing asses and hoisting pinkies i... OwlRol

    "coyoteman, I essentially agree with your capitalism bashing, but I don't see a coherent alternative. Armed revolution of a global nature is certainly not in the cards, especially with little support while times are reasonably good for most westerners and aspirations of "makin it" still abound elsewhere. What sort of revolution can be implemented in the near future? Besides, what do you think all those super prisons are being built for? Global change, be it political or natural catastrophe (eg. Pakistani flood victims), will increase, many will suffer, but the wealthy elite least of all, and the rapturerites won't care because all this was ordained to happen." wrote OwlRol.

    First, you have generally written a good and coherent piece OwlRol, much of which I agree with. Indeed, nothing I disagree with.

    And your observations re "the alternatives", especially around "violent revolution", I think, are entirely appropriate and legitimate, and need to be seriously discussed by anyone seriously interested in meaningful, especially "radical" social change.

    First, I think a "revolutionary alternative" is what the times and the character of current capitalist development are going to increasingly require and call for. And I speak here not "necessarily", indeed "preferred" by me, of "revolution" strictly in the context of radically transforming the social and economic order, rendering both profoundly "democratic" in their content, structure, style of management and manner of decision making. (For which all then similarly have to accept a shared consequence for the environmental and "other" results, to be sure.)

    Now, in the not entirely distant past, Social Democracy argued that first, if you wanted to change capitalism, you had to do it from WITHIN its "limited" bourgeois institutions. A long history now, through and beyond what might be described as the post WW2 period did produce some immediate results in the form of the Social Democratic State, which even "most" capitalists formally if reluctantly accepted... under the threat of a perceived coming "communist revolution", that was a product of the Great Depression and postwar II fears that seemed real at the time.

    .Continued next post...

  • Jerry Munro

    1 year ago

    Kissing asses and hoisting pinkies II... OwlRol

    Continuing from previous post...

    But once it had become clear by the early 80s that this was not on, and that indeed the working class masses had "bought into" the Social Democratic Capitalist State, including unions, and all were more preoccupied with "stuff" rather than "the working class cause", starting with the Reagan and Thatcher regimes, "the system" decided that this charade need continue no longer. Enter the neo-conservative political and neo-liberal economic structural and policy changes that have brought us down to the present, increasingly economically depressed and repressive ruling class State. (For more, see some of my comments above, in other pieces I've written here.)

    And I know very well why the police actions of the G20 dress rehearsal, and the expanded prison building plans of the Harperite fascists.

    The prolonged "Prosperity Capitalism, Social Democratic State" period of the postwar is clearly over. We are in a new, even if retrogressive period of capitalist social and economic development, characterised by pressures I predict that will more and more tend to drive contemporary capitalism and its working class in the direction of class war. (Inhibiting that right now are lingering inhibitions and illusions amongst the working class masses from the Old Order time, and the co-opting of the trade union movement itself into capitalism, over same the period described.)

    It is now to be expected that this will all take a time to become crystal clear to everyone, of course, in the trade union movement and at the various levels of the wage slave system, to say nothing of professionals (Where illusions are even more tenacious.).

    Still, I say, revolution is about to be increasingly back on the agenda, again purely in the context of the need for a radical socio-economic change. Now whether that will be peaceful, through channels, demonstrations on the streets, workplace occupations and the like etc, or armed conflict, or all of the above, depends entirely on the participants to it, on both sides, and I suppose, some on how it develops and is "engaged in".

    For myself, I prefer and advocate for a "peaceful revolution", or at least one that will hopefully not involve outright and protracted armed conflict. What real life will deliver, time alone will tell however, and I do not likely fully control. :-) To say the least.

    Continued next post...

  • Jerry Munro

    1 year ago

    Kissing asses and hoisting pinkies... OwlRol

    Continuing from previous post. (Overlong, even for me.)

    Certainly the history now being written of the ideologically social democratic period of capitalism, now past, says that the "work within the accepted ruling class processes" notion is now undone and fini, nada, defunct, a dead duck. It is too easily undone at will and their convenience by the ruling class.

    In any case, even while "the system" is still unravelling and these conclusions are not clear to the mass of the working class, to be sure, those who do understand need already to begin to prepare a "revolutionary alternatve".... again, strictly speaking, in the context of building a "struggle for radical social change".

    The time for kissing asses and hoisting pinkies is likewise passe, in my view

    The End...

  • Jerry Munro

    1 year ago

    Radical...

    radical: 1. of the root or roots; fundamental 2. far-readhing, thorough, going to the root. (From the Oxford English Reference Dictionary 1995)

  • Des

    1 year ago

    There Will Always

    be those who like the taste of ass-licking, Coyoteman, and those who hoist their pinkies just to draw attention to themselves and prove their superiority.

    But the owner of the ass enjoys the massage, and the pinkie finger looks to be somewhat innocuous even as it sends the signal related to the same message of the third finger raised by the commoner. Class warfare may have gone underground, but it is still real. True democracy is practiced not in getting the vote but in influencing the rules and regulations that government imposes on its subjects.

    A particular political party does not necessarily need to be "majority" in order to wield influence, but it does need to make its features well-known to the public. But if the public, like the present one, is functionally illiterate and almost brain-dead, it deserves to be governed by the whim of iron, also like the present one, rather than common interest.

  • samuidave (not verified)

    1 year ago

    You propose cutting off tentacles

    of government but nothing proposed is a game changer. Heck, you aren't even transforming the landscape, merely cutting the lawn.

    Canada is, arguably, in the enviable position of being an international game-changer. Instead of following the USA like the lick-spittle it is, it could be leading the developed world away from the US vanguard of fascist-corporatist dominance.

    A Leader would declare Canada a neutral and peaceful nation, immediately remove Canada from all foreign interventions, revoke NAFTA, remove corporations from operating within Canada, pay all foreign debt quickly, return the ability to 'counterfeit' currency to the Bank of Canada alone, legislate against any austerity programs for private business, outlaw lobbying, and grant full democracy to the people (even classic democracy where it is government by lot would be a huge inroad).

  • williambd

    1 year ago

    Climate Change

    I admire Murray Dobbin and approve of everything he says. But what about what he doesn't say. If we need leadership on anything in this country it is climate change. Soon we won't care where the deck chairs are; someone has to steer the ship to safer waters.

  • Jerry Munro

    1 year ago

    Des and Samuidave and Polar Opposites...

    "But the owner of the ass enjoys the massage, and the pinkie finger looks to be somewhat innocuous even as it sends the signal related to the same message of the third finger raised by the commoner. Class warfare may have gone underground, but it is still real. True democracy is practiced not in getting the vote but in influencing the rules and regulations that government imposes on its subjects." writes Des.

    I don't know if you are an NDPer Des, and it doesn't matter. The brief analysis you advance here however, is essentially an ideologically social democratic view of what you perceive to be realpolitik. And I certainly won't deny the ever presence of ass kissers and pinky hoisters, such as the CLC brass who host wine and cheese parties for MPs as part of their "lobbying" strategies. And numri other examples, of course.

    That said, the "real" need or usefulness of these people as "leaders", certainly in the current period, I seriously question and reject. They are, in fact, a part of that process on what has to here passed for the left in this country, which has invited and encouraged the ruling class to treat it and the working class with contempt and evidence of their co-optation and class collaboration. They have helped to encourage the ruling class (and the working class) in their, what has turned out to be "correct" perception, that this labour movement and the working class is certainly NOT what it was at their founding, or anything that they need seriously fear. Hence, save where it was/is "useful" to them for pr purposes, they couod and do basically ignore the working class and its principle class organizations.

    Hence, the mindset that emerged amongst the ruling class that they could with impunity, if with some tactical prudence, roll over and dismantle the Social Democratic State. Now, in large part already done.

    No, in my view at least, the times call for something quite different... more prepared to challenge the "Rights" assumptions of Capital and Corporate Property.

    Samuidave certainly offers a better starting and rallying point for my proposed "revolutionary alternative" to the "ass kissers and pinky hoisters", in his piece immediately above here, especially in his final paragraph. (I would only add to his sentence, in parenthesis, "...and grant full democracy (including economic democracy) to the people."

  • realisticman

    1 year ago

    Frank

    Did you see this:

    http://www.thestar.com/article/855091--mallick-jack-layton-and-guns-i-ve-had-enough

    This is becoming a serious wedge issue.

    Then there's this:

    http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/liberals-target-new-democrat-seats-over-registry-flap-101953678.html

    Murray calls for open talk about a coalition. With who? Jack can't go out there as the underdog and beg for a coalition with the Liberals. The Liberals are going it alone and they've made that quite clear. The Liberals couldn't join with Jack and exclude the Bloc. Can you imagine how Gilles would trumpet that new 'slight' in a new version of Québec being excluded. Jack & the Bloc? I don't think so. Gilles is not interested in that.

    Is Jack going to buckle and whip his caucus and risk losing the rural seats?

  • Frank

    1 year ago

    r'man

    Although I think the gun registry should stay, god knows we paid enough for it, I don't think any party leader should force his MPs to vote for what he wants.

    NDP MPs should serve the demands of their constituents first. Although I would like them to make a go of convincing those constituents why the gun registry is good policy.

    As for wedge issue, there's lots of those already.

  • lynn

    1 year ago

    In regard to wedge issues:

    That's what Harpo is doing - intentionally creating wedge issues/non-issues....eg. the gun registry and the census brouhaha.....an attempt to divert, distract, and control the agenda on his terms.

    Fiat Lux nails it here when he writes:

    "It would be quite stupid to see Harper gaining majority to sell Canada on the basis of a non issue, like the gun registry."

    Step by step to a majority government... and the end of Canada.

    What we need to end his little charade and put some serious cracks in those little contrived trendy camouflage spectacles of his is someone, man or woman, to challenge him that genuinely loves this country....

    And isn't afraid to voice that love while articulating The Big Picture that our country is under serious threat by the traitorous likes of Harper and Campbell and the forces of privatization they serve.

    Harper is trying real hard to pretend that love but his insular body language, his lack of grace, the sly furtive looks behind the spectacles designed to hide and disguise the falsity of his feelings all give him away.

    He is a pretender, an impostor and a tyrant - as he recent off-the-cuff remarks reveal "I make the rules."

    Canada appears to be merely an intellectual exercise for Ignatieff. Enough said.

    Jack? He seems like a good man to me but he has disappointed through reticence, and his refusal, as the NDP seems want to do, both in BC and Ottawa, to voice The Big Picture. In this, his father's Conservative roots have betrayed him. He is somewhat removed and reticent. He needs to warm up to the fact that these are dire days for a sovereign Canada. If, again as Fiat Lux anecdote made clear, he does not see how devastating The FTA has been to our autonomy, or if he sees it but is afraid... or refuses to articulate that fact, then what is there to vote for?

    But I would take Jack, (interpret how you wish) over Harper any day.

    But as I wrote earlier, Poor Canada that its people have such low expectations for those they willing give power to.

    So it is understandable, as coyoteman often articulates here, that with a dearth of real alternatives, that not voting is becoming a political act in itself. What to vote for? A stab-in-the-back quick death for Canada....or a vote for those that through lack of bravery and imagination would just delay the agony? Defended by the demure forces of sheer hesitancy, Canada falls. That's more than sad.

  • lynn

    1 year ago

    If....

    ( If you get a chance, and if you love this country, all this country, and if you love the Scot Billy Connolly, there is a great docu series on KCTS Seattle....we only get TV through satellite where we live so I don't know the cable channel but it comes on Thursdays at 9- 10 pm and Sundays, I think, at 11 pm. It's called Journey to the Edge of the World, and it's Billy Connolly's ten week traversing of Canada. He began last week in Nova Scotia (hope you caught that SIG), then went to NB and then Newfoundland. This week it is through the Northwest Passage, then the Yukon, down through BC and up the coast and Vancouver Island.

    The reason I bring this up is because Connolly "gets" this country...he loves this land and the wonderfully idiosyncratic diversity of its people. Connolly captures the earthiness and the unique magic of Canada. He just somehow manages to reveal the real glory of this country. And when the hour is over, you won't want to lose that glory or allow some doltish dictator to dismantle it. Connolly is a lovely, lovely man. He loves being alive. If he was willing and a few strings could be pulled I'd vote for him. But something tells me he is not a party man....at least not that kind of party. Please watch this series if you get a chance...I know some of you will really enjoy it. Jack, you, too. Hope springs eternal. ;-))

  • OwlRol

    1 year ago

    Beyond Hoisting Asses and Raising Pinkos

    One might argue that the Marxist revolution hasn't happened yet, despite Bolshevism and Maoism, because the proletariat were never literate during those revolutions, and they required an "educated vanguard" to lead them.

    Some are true believers in economic determinism, including a lot of right wing economic pundits.

    Is capitalism is creating the conditions for its own demise?

    Is our current proletariat functionally literate enough to move toward any sort of revolution, violent or not? And would the capitalist elite, with their control of the media (ie. Texas social studies texts will no longer use the word "Capitalist" anymore, substituting it with "free market.") allow much of such discourse to foment?

    Perhaps it will take a global catastrophe to galvanize a movement with more enlightened environmental and egalitarian principles.

  • lynn

    1 year ago

    Frank

    Frank, you really should consider running for the NDP. Over the years here you have remained true to the original NDP principles, defending them in the best possible way.....with both self-effacing humour and grace. You rarely waver yet you always respect the views of others....so if Connolly decides to remain in Scotland ;-)....

  • lynn

    1 year ago

    OwlRol

    "Perhaps it will take a global catastrophe to galvanize a movement with more enlightened environmental and egalitarian principles"

    I think that's unfortunately right on.....

    Most of the current proletariat appears to shopping there way through these times, despite being increasingly enslaved by debt.

  • clubofrome

    1 year ago

    End Fear?

    Put an end to ruling with fear? MegaEarth Inc has invested resources and based it's strategy on ruling with fear. That will not change. Not unless you think we can educate enough voters. High ideals for sure, but I'm afraid we'll have to play their game even to compete. This is the mother of all David vs. Goliath battles!

    Nothing I've seen or read or been able to dream has changed my opinion that we are on the road to self destruction. Actually they're twinning the road to make way for more consumers! I don't think we've had a real economy for over 150 years. You know when you exchanged services or traded goods instead of fabricating wealth from thin air: See Ed Deak. He says it better than any.

    No doubt Harper is insane, as those who voted for him are. They walk among us just like regular people. They work with us and they are our neighbors. They seem normal enough and I bet you are close to one right now. Go ahead, take a look over your shoulder. That one. Looks normal right? Next company picnic or little league game go ask them who they voted for, not directly of course but work it in there... At some point they'll say Harper or Campbell then you'll know the insane walk among us. Solid evidence that my theory of the planets carrying capacity for toxins has been far surpased.

    All of the worlds problems, the worst yet to unfold , and we're concerned with where one boat load of humans lands? Fuh....

  • Jerry Munro

    1 year ago

    Exlax Prescription...

    "Is capitalism is creating the conditions for its own demise?

    Is our current proletariat functionally literate enough to move toward any sort of revolution, violent or not? And would the capitalist elite, with their control of the media (ie. Texas social studies texts will no longer use the word "Capitalist" anymore, substituting it with "free market.") allow much of such discourse to foment?" asks OwlRol.

    These questions, all entirely appropriate, are about to be asked and answered over the coming period, in my view. We are going to have to see. But there is no doubt that the central Big question of the time is, that of the current level of political understanding of the "modern" working class. And the early indicators to here are mixed and unclear I think... largely because of the very issue Lynn raises above... There has been and is no real articulated Big Picture and Love of This Country alternative. So there is no really good accurate reading opportunity, outside of those of us, perhaps, who just don't see anything worth getting up for, to go to the polls to cast a vote for, in the current crop of warm milk toasts with the vision of gnats or fascists.

    The country is in desperate need of a real and inspiring firebrand, male or female, who has the big picture, the organization and access to the resources, and is fearless and capable of articulating it... with feeling.

    Regrettably, at this particular place in time I can only echo Lynn and yourself above... "Perhaps it will take a global catastrophe..."

    Something clearly needs to emerge as a hefty dose of Exlax to get the current period and the masses really inspired and moving.

  • Jerry Munro

    1 year ago

    Answering Myself...

    Which is a bit like dancing with oneself. :-)

    "The country is in desperate need of a real and inspiring firebrand, male or female, who has the big picture, the organization and access to the resources, and is fearless and capable of articulating it... with feeling." I wrote.

    First, this needs some additional clarity. The sex of this person is unimportant. The qualities and skill set are.

    As for organization, in the right social, political and economic climate, where "significant" numbers of people are prepared to come together and move, this can "potentially" be achieved relatively quickly. (Though here, I think that climate of which I speak is pivotal, as the motivator of "the people" and their ambition to build organization. In short, it need not necessarily be existing organization, though that should not be ruled out, out of hand either. (Hear that you activist NDPers and trade unionists?)

    Second, on the "resources" issue, here too, "people" are the key over even cash, though clearly "cash" does sooner or later have to be present in "adequate" quantities.

    Of it all however, organization, which means fairly large numbers of activist people, is primary. You have this, the cash can be begged, borrowed, stolen from the rich or in some manner be put together. :-)

    And esprit de corps. Don't forget esprit de corps. :-) Nobody commits to the death without it. :-)

  • Frank

    1 year ago

    lynn

    Thanks but a lot of others here, including you, have done a better job of always remaining polite.

    That Billy Connelly show sounds interesting, I'm going to download the episode I missed and check it out.

  • RickW

    1 year ago

    Frank

    Quote:
    Allan Blakeney was to the Left of Layton. He was a big proponent of state intervention in the economy and public ownership of resource industries

    ALL government are proponents of state intervention, one way or the other. In the case of right-of-centre governments, intervention consists of subsidies ($70 million in the case of BC Libs to O&G), and clearing the way for unrestricted access to and use of raw resources.

  • realisticman

    1 year ago

    Frank

    People shouldn't underestimate the importance of Bill C-391. Look at the Star's comments and editorial. Downtown Toronto considers this very important and Jack is not going to walk away unscathed if he helps it to pass.

    Iggy is going to come out with all barrels blazing and it's the NDP that will be wounded.

  • dorothy

    1 year ago

    G West

    Thanks for your reply. I think that the disagreement between us is based on not really applying the same scope. You look at Seth's arguments and try to consider them fairly, but a little in isolation. I cannot help seeing them as an attempt from an intellectual to 'correct' the 'politically incorrect'. I think that what I see missing in the picture is the understanding of people's outrage, xenophobia, prejudgement, whatever you will, as a genuine and valid expression of real feelings that 'enough is enough'. Enough of what? Whatever it is that makes people feel more and more crowded/abused/overruled/trampled, in one word: 'nobodied'. You, and Seth Neither, cannot make that go away by telling people how naughty and uncharitable they are. The only thing one can do with it is channel it, and we all know examples of people who have been very, very good at that. Maybe we do not want to turn a blind eye again?

    It reallhy is too bad, this barging into another column. But I have felt tempted more than once. Now you have done it. what other choice is there? If we post emails here, for the limited purpose of finishing a discussion, can we avoid them being inundated to the point of worthlessness? I see some people started a blog called 'life after the Tyee', but it appears to have petered out. Maybe a Yahoo group?

  • samuidave (not verified)

    1 year ago

    There's no changing the course we are on...

    ... until Canadians take the time to inform themselves. The problem is, they have no time and no interest, as a group, and the same problems haunting us today have been known and discussed for hundreds, sometimes thousands, of years.

    There is no making things 'right' with this capitalist system in place. Money controls the entire hologram we accept as reality. It's pretty common knowledge that philosophers over the ages change from pessimists to optimists and back again in response to their contemporary circumstances. This time, the reality of biological collapse is on the verge of being completely unleashed, and despite the fact no one dominates nature we carry on as if we will work it all out in the end.

    The point here is this: we can make political changes moving us let and right, and we can even slow the consumer machine down, but what we need is reverse. And that is not going to happen until it is forced on us. We are too proud and too ignorant as a species to ever be bothered with how things play out for the people of the world, now or ever.

    Jack Layton, good or bad, is just another politician without vision. And who can blame him? The people of Canada don't want vision. The people of Canada want to gain as much false wealth as they can acquire, at any expense necessary to others. And history offers ample proof that any charismatic flake or interest-specific demagogue has been able to provide that amount of direction, usually because it is also self-serving but that is another issue all together.

    I recall reading Aristotle where he discussed real wealth being in the land, and unreal wealth being in trade and commerce; the worst of all unreal wealth was in banking and usury. Now do you want to tell me how 2300-odd years have passed by and we have gone from small city-state enclaves where wars were waged with a few hundred men, and in the course of that time we have not learned one bloody thing about the need for humanity to appreciate what the market place brings?

    We are the problem. In particular, the we with the 'false' power over others and the planet we all share. We are a planetary community and must act as such or do so at our own peril. Too bad 'we' are a culture absolutely lost within the hologram of life created by the 'best and brightest' jackasses in the nation, decade after decade.

    There would be more real leadership coming from our government if it imposed a birth limit of two live pregnancies per female. But these fools can't do grade 5 maths despite their establishment credentials. Go figure.

  • Frank

    1 year ago

    RickW

    That's true, the economy is closely tied to the political sphere.

    But Blakeney's overall policy goals were different than Campbell's.

  • Frank

    1 year ago

    r'man

    I'm not "underestimating" the damage as you put it. But what can you do?

    If the NDP and Layton get hurt and their popularity falls well so be it. Its not like the Toronto Star and most of Ontario support the NDP anyway, it was just a matter of time till they found another issue to support the Liberals on.

    Meanwhile, MPs that thumb their nose at their constituents will lose their seats. Why risk that when the alternative is being demonized for something else by the Liberals anyway?

    When the election comes the Liberals can attack the NDP on the basis of the gun registry and we can attack them over their refusal to distance themselves from Liberal provincial governments that are undermining medicare. We can also attack them on their support for the tar sands and a myriad of other issues.

    Good times.

  • Des

    1 year ago

    R'man

    has learned well from the master of driving wedges between irrelevancies. Bill C-391 is the diversion that Harper is using to destroy the chance that any opposition will de-throne him, and could possible lead him to a majority rule. The long-gun issue is meant to distract the fickle public with a grand show of fireworks and acrimony, and R'man has used it successfully to denigrate both the Liberal and the NDP leaders, by blaming them for their political maneuvering around gun control.

    There are issues of far more financial and regulatory importance in which Harper posts a failing grade and allows his personal animosity to flare like Lucifer himself. But he has been able, with sleight of hand, to magically distract the public attention from those political errors.

    The most egregious distraction I have noticed up to now is the wild-eyed echo of Charlton Heston's declaration of dieing with his gun in his hand. But no one is advocating seizing all guns from farmers and hunters. Just as no one is promoting the Registration as a way to prevent crime, though you might think so hearing people like Toews or R'man and similar politicians, like Hoeppner.

    As an Independent voter, I judge the issue involved rather than the position of the candidate who follows blindly either the politics of his party or the uninformed pov's of his electors.

  • RickW

    1 year ago

    Frank

    Quote:
    But Blakeney's overall policy goals were different than Campbell's

    No disagreement here. Blakeney had soul......

  • RickW

    1 year ago

    clubofrome

    Not insane. But definitely fearful of change. It's a variation of the Stockholm Syndrome.

  • Jerry Munro

    1 year ago

    Lynn and Connelly...

    What is it about that sense of humour and emotional depth of some Scots, eh? And how it all rolls out so full of fun in that brogue.

    I saw the entire series on the Knowledge Network, Lynn. A thoroughly enjoyable series featuturing both this extremely interesting man and, of course, our gorgeous, beautiful country and people. (At least I think it was on the Knowledge Network.)

    As Lynn, I highly recommend it as well.

  • G West

    1 year ago

    @dorothy

    That's actually a good idea. One that I suppose could be developed relatively easily - so long as there was, among the participants, a modicum of trust and a willingness to keep the 'personal' out of the equation.

  • clubofrome

    1 year ago

    What movie was it?

    ...of course the Stockholm Syndrome.. "As in Stockholm Finland..." Was that from Die Hard?

    So if not insane then "brain injured?" Genetically predisposed to extinction? Born without the sense god gave goat? Certainly there seem to be other species with better instinct for survival than us? Large brain doesn't seem to be the prerequisite...

    By the way... nice piece of writing there samuidave.

  • dorothy

    1 year ago

    The Allfather in action?

    "Answering Myself...
    Which is a bit like dancing with oneself. :-)"

    Here's a quote:

    Odin's Quest after the Runes
    137.
    I trow I hung on that windy Tree
    nine whole days and nights,
    stabbed with a spear, offered to Odin,
    myself to mine own self given,
    high on that Tree of which none hath heard
    from what roots it rises to heaven.

    (Hávamál
    The Words of Odin the High One
    from the Elder or Poetic Edda
    (Sæmund's Edda)
    translated by Olive Bray
    and edited by
    D. L. Ashliman)

    Just couldn't resist! Hope you're not miffed. The word 'Odin' means 'number one' or 'first' in Russian. He is now believed by many to be a heroic figure, composed of a whole line of tribal chiefs from the past. See, I'm complimenting you here...!

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