What's Canada's New Mission in Afghanistan?
And why aren't our politicians talking about it? If you think we're done in 2011, a lot of Afghans would urge otherwise.
Schoolgirls in Afghanistan.
As you might imagine by its name, the House of Commons Special Committee on Afghanistan is supposed to provide advice to the House of Commons on Canada's role in Afghanistan. But there is a problem. The MPs who dominate the committee say the committee's job is actually not to provide advice to the House of Commons on the pressing matter of Canada's role in Afghanistan.
I am not trying to be funny.
The committee has 12 members drawn equally from government and opposition benches, which is one reason why it's gotten nowhere since it was established in March 2008. The committee was handed a specific mandate to travel to Afghanistan and to neighbouring countries and to issue frequent recommendations on how Canada is doing and what Canada could do better.
The committee has done none of these things.
Think about that for a moment. Canada has been a leader among the 43 countries with soldiers in Afghanistan under the NATO-led, UN-mandated International Security Assistance Force. Among more than 50 donor countries, Canada has been a leading contributor to Afghanistan's reconstruction. Canada has a "special" parliamentary committee on Afghanistan, and it has never even been to Afghanistan.
It hasn't done a thing Parliament has told it to do, and yet the loudest howls you hear from the committee are about the government's contempt for Parliament. You could say it's been utterly useless, but that wouldn't be quite fair. The committee has served a purpose. It has kept the more slovenly members of the Ottawa press corps titillated by the fantasy that if they just sit there like stenographers long enough, eventually they'll get to type the name of a Conservative cabinet minister into the same sentence with the words "war criminal."
This is what you get when the sinister manoeuvres of petty partisanship array against statesmanship and the public good. That's what this story is about. It's a story that not a few Ottawa politicians are banking on you being too stupid to notice.
Elusive holy grail
Afghanistan's reconstruction is the most ambitious project in the history of the United Nations. It's the largest mobilization of Canadian soldiers in 60 years, and the largest project in the history of Canada's foreign aid initiatives, but the Special Committee on Afghanistan is now the biggest inside joke on Parliament Hill.
Despite its persistent preoccupation with detainee torture, the committee has failed to find its holy grail. It has waded through mountains of memoranda and emails, "explosive" testimony and "incendiary" evidence. It has had to go all the way back to 2005 to find the really tantalizing bits, and the New Democratic Party's original idea of putting the matter to some sort of separate public inquiry is still a good one. But try pointing out that the operational procedures for Afghan detainee-handling were actually resolved by the very House of Commons motion that established the committee in the first place, two years ago. You'll find you've exposed yourself to moral blackmail: you don't care about torture!
Whatever damage its Liberal members might imagine they're doing to the Conservatives, Liberal caucus leaders are actually embarrassed by the whole thing. The committee's recently-departed New Democrat, Paul Dewar, is happy to be finally shut of it. There isn't a single self-respecting journalist in this town who does not know exactly what has been going on here.
Last weekend on the CBC radio program The House, the Committee's leading Conservative member, Edmonton MP Laurie Hawn, was obliged to once again defend his government's handling of the lurid "Afghan detainee issue" that has aroused so many Ottawa insiders. But here's the really crazy part:
Without so much as a hint of embarrassment, the committee's leading Liberal, Ujjal Dosanjh, and the committee's recently-appointed New Democrat, Jack Harris, both insisted to the CBC that it is not the job of the Special Committee on Canada's engagement in Afghanistan to address itself to the immediate and now desperately urgent question about Canada's engagement in Afghanistan: What happens in 2011?
Big questions to address
Bear in mind that Canada is a prominent signatory to the multi-nation Afghanistan Compact, the role-assigning agreement that expires next year. Canada's Kandahar "combat role" also ends next year, but that's only one of six Canadian priorities in Afghanistan. The others involve providing basic services, delivering humanitarian aid, helping with border protection, building national institutions, and backing national reconciliation efforts.
Should Canada continue with these priorities? Should Canada play a completely different role? Are Canadians ever going to be allowed to consider these questions and make decisions about them? Because of the paralysis in Ottawa, almost all projects supported by the Canadian International Development Agency in Afghanistan are coming to a screeching halt next year. With 2011 only a few months away, what is the committee's advice to the House of Commons?
The exasperated host of The House, Kathleen Petty, persisted with this very simple question. It's the same question I'd been raising in Ottawa that very week on behalf of the Canada-Afghanistan Solidarity Committee. It's been two whole years. When is this committee going to get around to talking about the Canadian mission in Afghanistan?
Jack Harris: "First of all, the Afghanistan Committee was not put forward to discover what we're going to do post-2011. The Afghanistan Committee's job and role, and this came from the Manley commission report and the motion, was to report to Parliament on the mission and what's going on."
By "the Manley commission report," Harris was referring to the independent panel chaired by former Liberal deputy prime minister John Manley that recommended an extension of Canada's Kandahar combat role to 2011. The panel offered no direction on what should happen in 2011. That wasn't the panel's job.
Perhaps Harris can tell the rest of us "what's going on" and what should happen next year? Prime Minister Stephen Harper has made some noises about Post-2011 humanitarian aid. If Harris is satisfied by this, why doesn't he just come right out and say so?
Ujjal Dosanjh: "The issue isn't what committee is doing what. The issue is whether or not these issues are being studied. The issue with respect to Post-2011 is going to be studied by the other committee," he said.
The "other committee" Dosanjh referred to is the Standing Committee on National Defence, which is in fact not studying the issue, and has no mandate to study the issue, and would be the last place to talk about the issue anyway. It's the committee that generals and military experts are routinely summoned to attend in order to patiently instruct earnest and well-meaning MPs in the subtle differences between howitzers and ham sandwiches.
It was in fact the "special" Afghanistan committee that was explicitly tasked with the very job Dosanjh doesn't want the committee to do. The relevant cabinet ministers have consistently said it's up to Parliament to decide what Canada's post-2011 role in Afghanistan should be, so this isn't something you can easily lay solely at Harper's feet. The special Afghanistan committee is the lead House of Commons committee on the question. That's why it's called the "special" committee.
If the committee has decided that its job doesn't include advising Parliament about what Canada should be doing in Afghanistan, then why does it still exist? Why doesn't it just get out of the way and let Parliament get to work?
Mandates never carried out
The "motion" Harris referred to is the same March 2008 House of Commons motion that extended Canada's combat role in Kandahar to 2011 and created the Special Committee on the Canadian Mission in Afghanistan in the first place. The committee's mandate was renewed in February last year and again this year on March 3.
Apart from issuing a report about training Afghan soldiers that everyone has already forgotten about, the committee has done nothing its mandate requires.
In both of its renewal motions, the committee's parliamentary leadership role on Afghanistan was confirmed. So were the two other big jobs the committee was established to do. The committee is supposed to "review the laws and procedures governing the use of operational and national security exceptions for the withholding of information" and "ensure that Canadians are being provided with ample information on the conduct and progress of the mission."
The committee has done neither of these things.
The committee hasn't just failed to address the problem of a policy vacuum on information-release exceptions. It has made the problem worse. The committee has in fact exacerbated the problem to the point of turning it into a constitutional crisis.
The Liberals say it's the Conservatives' fault for resorting to the most frivolous and partisan excuses to withhold all sorts of information. The Conservatives say the Liberals are beating dead horses and insinuating that Canadian soldiers are SS monsters. The NDP says the committee should put the matter aside and get down to business, but it hasn't once used its tie-breaking vote to get the committee back to work.
On its latter task, the committee has produced a dumpster load of activity reports and minutes records that you could spend days reading and you'd end up knowing less about "the conduct and progress of the mission" than you did when you started. Last month, in an unintentional parody, a Toronto newspaper headline referred to it as "the Afghan abuse committee."
Welcome to the roundtable
What follows is but one example of how irrelevant the committee has become to the work it was established to do.
The Canada-Afghanistan Solidarity Committee is a grassroots, non-government group of Canadians from all walks of life and all political parties. Last Tuesday, at the National Archives, we hosted a roundtable discussion on the urgent question of what Canada should be doing in Afghanistan.
Among our panellists were Grant Kippen, the Canadian chairman of the Afghanistan's Electoral Complaints Commission, which blocked the fraud-plagued first round in last year's Afghan presidential elections; Jawed Ludin, Afghanistan's ambassador to Canada; Nasrine Gross, an Afghan-American writer and human rights activist; Nipa Banerjee, the former head of CIDA in Afghanistan; Lewis Mackenzie, the author and retired major-general; Douglas Bland, Chair of the Defence Management Studies Program at Queen's University; and the Solidarity Committee's co-founder, Lauryn Oates, a human rights and gender equity activist.
The NDP's Paul Dewar showed up. So did Immigration and Citizenship Minister Jason Kenny and Senator Pamela Wallin.
What was happening on Parliament Hill that day? The whole place was vibrating with a reportedly shocking revelation. It seems that back in 2005, the Liberal government was warned that Afghan detainees were at risk of torture at the hands of Afghan authorities, but the Liberals, worried about a Guantanamo Bay sort of controversy, went ahead with detainee transfers anyway.
Exactly the same story appeared in Montreal's La Presse on April 28, 2007. That's "progress" for you.
Meanwhile, in the real world, everything has moved on.
Canada faces changed reality in Afghanistan
The Canadian Forces held Kandahar for four bloody years, and now the horizon that 140 of our soldiers died trying to reach is finally within sight. Nobody's proposing a continued combat-role, battle group engagement in Kandahar. But nobody wants a disgraceful abdication of Canada's global responsibilities or a betrayal of the promises Canada has made to Afghanistan, either.
You can't call it George Bush's war now. The disastrous American "we don't do nation-building" policy was abandoned years ago. Southern Afghanistan is being flooded with fresh American recruits, and a new NATO counter-insurgency strategy is showing every sign of success.
You'd never know it, but there is a tremendous amount of goodwill and common ground about Afghanistan among Liberals, Conservatives and New Democrats. Nobody wants a cheap "exit strategy" that sells out to the Taliban. But nobody wants to leave Afghanistan saddled with an autocratic Pashtun khanate jerryrigged out of corrupt and decadent patronage networks, either.
Since early January, the Canada-Afghanistan Solidarity Committee has been canvassing opinion within the Afghan-Canadian community and among Canada's academic, NGO and activist-expert opinion leaders. We've travelled to Afghanistan and we've consulted widely across the spectrum of Afghan opinion. We've met with key figures in Afghanistan's pro-democracy movement, old mujahideen leaders, progressive Afghan MPs, women's rights leaders, government officials, young civil rights advocates, teachers, and journalists.
The consensus is astonishing.
What everybody tells us is that a legacy of democracy is what the world should be leaving in Afghanistan, and that Canada should take the lead. They may not be streaming through the streets in the way we've lately seen Iranians enliven their struggle, but after 30 years of war and tyranny, millions of Afghans have had a glimpse of democracy. They want more. They're not turning back.
Afghans want our help
There's nothing inscrutably exotic about Afghans. They want what we want: equal rights, the rule of law, a representative and accountable government, freedom of speech and assembly, a liberal and generous education, an entitlement to basic health services, and a fair chance at prosperity.
It's the vision that should form Canada's post-2011 strategy: an uncompromising investment in the institutions and the culture of Afghanistan's embryonic democracy, not least in the machinery of fully free and fair elections. We should commit to a long-term, robust dedication to Afghan literacy, learning, and the life of democratic ideas. The whole package would cost only a fraction of a full-bore military commitment.
Afghans should lead this. They want to, they can, and they will, but they're going to need a lot of help. What they tell us is that among all of Afghanistan's partners, Canada is the country that should champion this cause.
Canada isn't like the other leading ISAF nations. Canada isn't like any of the regional powers. Unlike Iran or China, Canada is a rich and healthy democracy. Unlike Russia, the United States, Britain or Pakistan, Canada has no 19th century history of foreign conquest, and no sordid 20th century authorship of the proxy wars that reduced Afghanistan to an abattoir and a madhouse.
Canadians are different. We don't cut and run. We stand and fight. Our soldiers don't kick down doors. They knock. That's what Afghans themselves tell us. It's why Canada is trusted, and it's why Afghans do not want Canada to just pack up and leave.
But it isn't an easy truth to tell. None of it fits with the fashionably "anti-imperialist" narrative that has infantilized the Afghanistan debate in Canada. Neither does it suit a cynical, security-focused foreign policy cut from tattered and moth-eaten conceptions of the national interest.
The root cause of Canada's political paralysis is the deadlock between these two obsolete paradigms. It's a quagmire of old and decrepit arguments. It's time to move on.
It's time for a new and proper Canadian debate about Afghanistan. We have to stop thinking about 2011 as the end, and start planning for a new beginning.
We have to start right now. ![]()




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Takuan
1 year ago
I don't care
about liberal/tory/ndp lies. All I know is we should not be there. If they really want us there, they must first get control of their own house. There is work aplenty right here at home.
Takuan
1 year ago
http://www.google.com/hostedn
http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5g4djyuCzYycXZVftKbuyCrxIN07w
Takuan
1 year ago
http://www.canadiancrc.com/Ch
http://www.canadiancrc.com/Child_Poverty_in_Canada.aspx
Takuan
1 year ago
http://www.cdnwomen.org/EN/se
http://www.cdnwomen.org/EN/section05/3_5_1_1-violence_facts.html
G West
1 year ago
Absolutely Takuan
Get out now - only because it's physically impossible for us to get out any sooner. The Afghans don't want us - but we have an obligation to the women and children we've deceived into thinking things are going to change - they aren't.
Therefore, we should offer all of them an opportunity to come to Canada and start a new life.
Takuan
1 year ago
could do worse. One the eve
could do worse. One the eve of the rape and murder of Iraq I posed the question:" Will the Iraqi people who are about to have fire and death rained on their heads in the name of freedom all be granted American citizenship in token of good faith ?" Oddly enough, no one replied and it didn't happen. Turned out the Saddam had been a CIA stooge at the beginning of his career, that there were no WMDs and the no one in Iraq had anything to do with 911. Pity about killing so many and ruining their country.
Now, what do you suppose will emerge about Afghanistan? "Emerge" in the common wisdom of course, I already know another resource grab when I see one.
Personally, I don't want moral responsibility for integrating millions of ruined Afghan lives to Canada. I don't think we can do it without swamping our own boat. So, get out now, stop sniffing American neo-con taint, try/convict/execute Harper and his thugs and be real Canadians trying to build a decent society in Canada for those already here. "Isolationist"?
Nope, ,just willing to adjust my lifestyle to the resources we already have rather than buying into an evil, corrupt global economy based on robbing the weaker of nature's gifts.
G West
1 year ago
I think we have a moral obligation
To do something about our failed projects - if it means it 'costs' us something in terms of life style so be it.
We owe those people something because, as you've noted, this was a failed project from the beginning. For once we need to clean up our own messes and not just ship the soldiers back home in 2011.
I do agree that we've no business using 'their' resources to build corporate profits though.
Takuan
1 year ago
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_Afghanistan
Takuan
1 year ago
OK, how about if we admit as
OK, how about if we admit as many as we have killed, wounded, poisoned or disposessed? Will that balance our karma?
Raphael Alexander
1 year ago
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Takuan
1 year ago
ach now, enough o yer
ach now, enough o yer insolence me boy! You shut it or say something worth hearing. If you can.
Takuan
1 year ago
http://www.rabble.ca/blogs/bl
http://www.rabble.ca/blogs/bloggers/davemarkland/2010/01/afghans-do-not-hide-their-hatred-canadian-troops
Whiskey River
1 year ago
Alex Raphael
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Ark Ark Ark....Bring the troops home,WWII..Was fought and finished in 4 years.
But little boys like George W Bush and Dick Cheney got their mommies and Daddies to keep them home.
George W Bush..The Clownmander and Chirp...
The blinding skull reflection ...My future`s so bright I need to wear shades.
Adios.
G West
1 year ago
Raphael Alexander....(?) Which Raphael Alexander is that?
I'd really like to know.
The Raphael Alexander I've seen around the web hasn't got much room to talk in terms of spreading cognitive dissonance or shameful relativism and seems, moreover, to be more of a troll than anything else. I’m never sure if it’s Adrian or Alex behind these posts – I do know they often amount to pretty much the same thing as they frequently hold forth on the dangers of appeasement toward their favourite bug-bear – Islamofascists.
…I've never believed Glavin and his crew (of which Raphael Alexander seems to be a wingman or sock puppet) were any more believable than Pee Wee Rambo and Peter McKay...
Personally, if you really want to hear the flat out crazies on this subject a good place to start is with another former leftist called David Horowitz at his little hate-filled site:
http://frontpagemag.com/
Oh, and don’t forget to drop in at Terry’s own little centre (The one he calls Chronicles and Dissent:
http://transmontanus.blogspot.com/
And note one of his latest targets of choice – Amnesty International. And, when he’s not attacking leftists, he’s busy promoting the report of the Canada-Afghanistan Solidarity Committee which, he never fails to mention, he took the lead in writing.
And of course, Terry’s at the head of that group of responsible Canadians who call Canada’s role in enabling (and profiting from) the torture of Afghans a ‘tabloid rumpus'.
And all this to try and keep Canada in country a little longer, just a little longer until our $18 billion investment and 150 or so lives (not to even mention the lives of a lot more dead Afghans – but, who’s counting?) starts to PAY OFF!.
Takuan - I'm willing to discuss numbers but the idea of a real project to make up for the havoc we've wrought is an absolute necessity for me.
Bustagrill
1 year ago
this is an important conversation
Glavin is right. With the combat mission ending, we should be having a serious national conversation about how Canada should continue to help the people of Afghanistan stand on their own. We owe it to them, and we owe it to the 140 Canadians who died there. Leaving Afghanistan cold in 2011 with no ongoing development assistance would be a slap in the face to them all, and a national disgrace.
Bustagrill
1 year ago
inane babble
The quality of discourse in this comments section reminds me of a psych ward just before the meds are handed out.
G West
1 year ago
Bustagrill -
It's not going to happen. We should bring all the women and children we've cruelly deceived to Canada and give them a chance at a decent life here. It’s the least we can do.
Leave them in Afghanistan after we walk out - because that's what Pee Wee is going to do (I assume you've noticed where he's planning to cut budget expenditures going forward) and you know what is going to happen to them.
David Beers
1 year ago
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Takuan
1 year ago
(is it OK if we insult their
(is it OK if we insult their mothers?)
Whiskey River
1 year ago
Too much caffeine
I do apologize ....Sorry George bush,sorry Dick Cheney.
Thanks for the warning.
Takuan
1 year ago
OK, what would actually
OK, what would actually happen if we did bring the Afghans whose lives have been ruined by our actions here? Can it be made to work? Or would we be doing them a further disservice? What legal claim would they have against Canada for relatives killed? Would they add to our society, or build another Afghanistan in Canada? Can we just plain afford it in terms of dollars? How many?
G West
1 year ago
Takuan
We're constantly told we have an aging population - we need young people and I'm all for diversity. If we don't bring them here I see no indication that the efforts and funds being expended there now are going to continue and they will surely be victimized by one or more of: Karzai and his cutthroat relatives; the warlords and/or the Taliban.
Whether Terry Glavin likes it or not, the Taliban are going to be part of the government in Afghanistan for the foreseeable future and they are not going to accommodate themselves to independent thinking and an increased role for women in that culture. The history of the ‘democracy’ in Afghanistan and its sympathy and support for its elected women members is all the knowledge one needs to understand that reality.
It will take at minimum a generation for that to happen and perhaps, given the region's history, it won't happen at all.
It cost Pee Wee more than $159 million to airlift useless tanks from Canada to Afghanistan - only to realize they were worthless in that environment - we've spent billions of dollars blowing things up there so I don't thing an investment of a few million more in helping a few thousand women and children get a new start in Canada would break us.
And yeah, I think they would add to our society - exactly as every other major immigrant group throughout our history has done.
Takuan
1 year ago
http://www.theglobeandmail.co
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/plan-announced-to-cancel-afghan-debt/article1503382/
Takuan
1 year ago
"a few thousand". OK. I
"a few thousand". OK. I could see a few thousand working. Now, what do we tell the tens or hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of other, equally morally entitled? Is it a gesture to salve our bloody consciences and fend off just retribution? Or are we trying to actually DO something here? How would we/they choose anyway? A lottery?
Takuan
1 year ago
and per my first link above,
and per my first link above, shouldn't the tens or hundreds of thousands of Aboriginal people who used to own this fine land also be consulted as to priorities? Just the ones living in abject poverty without real hope of betterment.
frank2
1 year ago
--maybe we really don't know
--maybe we really don't know what others want.
--maybe we hear most clearly those who speak our language (many of them western educated): but what weight to give them versus the vast majority of others?
--maybe we should re-examine the actions we might take which involve making such judgements
--maybe we should welcome those who want to exchange their values and ways of life for ours (but how can we know who wants to come for that -- rather than regrouping for the next struggle -- especially when the economic disparity is so great?)
--maybe wielding overwhelming force in local situations isn't the best way for us to secure mutual understanding
--maybe we have to start being more modest about the universal applicability of our ways
--maybe we ought to question whether evangelising our ways is consistent with respect for others.
--NO maybes, I'm confused about all this. I'd be happier if I knew our leaders were also confused. And happier yet if they decided to explore what is to be done with each other and the public.
G West
1 year ago
numbers
Takuan - in truth I just don't know. My reading of the number of people who've been brought into schools and who would, after we leave, be in danger of becoming targets is pretty imprecise. Reading the reports from Afghanistan is confusing to say the least - I can't imagine it would be more than a few thousand.
On the other question - the First Nations one - I'm a supporter of owning up to our responsibilities in that area too. I don't see any reason that we can't or shouldn't do both...address poverty here and not just for First Nations people and help the people we've put at risk in Afghanistan.
And, I don't know about all the others - in the Congo for example - where millions of people have died over the minerals we use to create cell phones - I do know we can do better. But it's going to involve more than dancing around waving a maple leaf flag and clapping our mittened hands together.
frank2 - don't disagree with much of what you've written either.
Takuan
1 year ago
OK. So what do we do FIRST?
OK. So what do we do FIRST?
IranianDude
1 year ago
Afghanistan
The very notion that we're in Afghanistan to help Afghanis is a fallacy perpetrated by propagandists and American apologists.
We're there because our American and corporate masters have forced us to. We didn't follow their orders to go in Iraq in 2003 and they ended up b#tch-slapping us hard through various economic mini sanctions (softwood lumber?)
Just yesterday 4 kids and two pregnant women died as result of aria bombing.
Canadian government is morally bankrupt. The Christian crusaders and Jesus freaks have occupied so many of the government seats that's inconceivable that we could ever back to fair and sound foreign policy. Case in point, the unconditional support we give to the apartheid state of Israel with its systematic genocide against Palestinians.
The detainees torture is the most pernicious matter of all. I'm not sure why this is considered in trivial matter even though it's clearly defined as war crimes in various UN charters.
IranianDude
1 year ago
Link to the killings of two pregnant mothers by US soldiers
http://www.democracynow.org/2010/3/16/headlines#1
Raphael Alexander
1 year ago
Spam
You let a person wilfully spam your comment section, and then delete the comment of a person pointing it out? Speaking of offensive, I find his link spamming offensive.
Takuan
1 year ago
well, yeah, but I'm prepared
well, yeah, but I'm prepared to live with you
Takuan
1 year ago
and that's "area bombing",
and that's "area bombing", "aria bombing" would be:
Takuan
1 year ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Qx2lMaMsl8
Takuan
1 year ago
no, I tell a lie: THIS is
no, I tell a lie: THIS is aria bombing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6h4f77T-LoM
Takuan
1 year ago
c'mon Raph, spill it, what's
c'mon Raph, spill it, what's your stake as a Canadian in the military invasion and occupation of Afghanistan?
OilbertaRedTory
1 year ago
Missionary Positions
Pity the poor 'Eustonauts' ; the 'liberal-moderates' supporting the US political ends compromising with US military means resulting in our foreign policy : confused, reactive and incoherent.
Coupled with a penchant to send soldiers to do the job of diplomats and aid workers, they've trapped themselves in a dilemma of hope by 'unanticipated militarism'.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdZiPwaGu7A&feature=related
When Prime Minister Pearson advised him to pullout [of Vietnam], Kennedy said, "Any damn fool knows that. The question is, how?"
OilbertaRedTory
1 year ago
Harper's 'Mission'
Should be to promote Canadian values - like Confederation. We have a century and a half of pluralist experience to share with the world. We can start by erasing the Durand Line then move on to supporting a bold "Confederation of all the 'Stans".
In the meantime ...
Support our troops - drop the 'mission'
http://tinyurl.com/StandOnGuard
Support Afghans:
http://www.msf.ca/news-media/news/2009/10/msf-in-afghanistan/
Support our Victims:
http://www.icrc.org/web/eng/siteeng0.nsf/html/owym-video-afghanistan-ortho!OpenDocument
Support our Refugees:
http://ourworld-yourmove.org/indexV10.html#/en/
Then get yourself de-programmed:
http://robwipond.com/?p=32
If you can stand the whiplash:
http://www.eurasianet.org/cartoons/rall092309.jpg
Takuan
1 year ago
a kernel or two in the chaff:
http://pakobserver.net/detailnews.asp?id=20226
smiley jones
1 year ago
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1 year ago
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1 year ago
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1 year ago
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1 year ago
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Takuan
1 year ago
http://www.nytimes.com/intera
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2010/03/21/magazine/20100321-soliders-bedrooms-slideshow.html?hp
OilbertaRedTory
1 year ago
Jus in bello
Civilian collateral damage is neither as proportionate nor as tidy as an empty bedroom:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krHV9iT20zw