Opinion

In Search of 'Communist' Vietnam

Notes from a quick, guided visit to Saigon, er, Ho Chi Minh City.

By Rafe Mair, 16 Mar 2010, TheTyee.ca

Ho Chi Minh City, Saigon

Motorbike metropolis: Ho Chi Minh City.

My mandate, I think, is to a write a political column for these pages, which I'm about to do, so don't confuse this with a travelogue.

Wendy and I have just returned from the trip of a lifetime, a 37-day cruise which took us to Auckland, Tauranga, Christchurch, Invercargill (all in New Zealand), Hobart (twice), Melbourne (twice), Sydney, Adelaide, Perth/Fremantle (all in Australia), Singapore, Ho Chi Minh City, Cambodia and Bangkok.

Here's a bit of market information for those who follow these things -- baseball caps sold from a high of $23.50 at Raffles in Singapore to $1 in Ho Chi Minh City. I save them, sort of.

Comic book fantasies

Since I was a boy I've always been interested in what was once called French Indochina. This fascination was whetted by a comic strip/radio show called "Terry and the Pirates," featuring such characters as Big Stoop, the Dragon Lady and the young adventurer, Terry. In my mind's eye, I saw boisterous cities full of smells, noises and mysterious back alleys replete with the mystery of West meets East. While I had been to Singapore and Bangkok, I only had my imaginary vision of Saigon.

(First, though, my minimal journalistic ethics force me to advise that when you reach the famous Raffles Hotel in Singapore you may, as your guide tells you, get an original Singapore Sling. However, you sure as hell won't get in at the famous Long Bar (where I first did) but will be admitted to a fake Long Bar on the third floor. But I digress.)

In spite of my memories of mystery, I nearly didn't go to Ho Chi Minh City because I was fighting an eight-week-long flu bug and hadn't slept and didn't relish the idea of a two-hour drive each way. But when would I have another chance?

Our bus was modern and air conditioned and was led by Se, an admirably brief name, who was an 18-year veteran of his craft. When I remarked to him that he resembled Tiger Woods -- a dangerous thing to do to a stranger in a communistic country, or anywhere these days, come to think about it! -- he laughed and said he was constantly told that but he had neither the money nor the women and he'd never played golf.

His opening words set the stage of what became an interesting political epiphany. "Welcome to Saigon," he said.

"What's with this?" I thought, believing that after the Americans were unceremoniously tossed out and unification with the North had taken place, Saigon had become Ho Chi Minh, named after the Mao Zedong of Vietnam. There was more to come as Se mentioned with obvious delight the recent death of a president.

I asked Se whether he wasn't concerned about his candor, especially since there was the driver and his assistant on board. I thought of the tour I had taken with Intourist in the old Soviet Union and the guide's meticulous adherence to the party patter.

Se told us that free speech, unless used to make trouble, was tolerated and this had happened with the falling of the Berlin Wall and the disintegration of the Soviet Union.

Evidence of millionaires

Before I go on I must give you a word picture of traffic in Saigon. I've been to some of the most crowded cities in the world but I have never seen anything like this! Literally thousands of motorbikes swirling around each other and the larger vehicles in roundabout after roundabout that are pretty good imitations of L'Etoile in Paris. One of our shipmates counted four people on one bike which included a baby in the basket. Like in Rome, it seems that tooting your horn is mandatory -- it was scary yet funny.

After we'd visited the usual places one visits on bus trips like this, I was fortunate to have Se as my seatmate for the ride home.

He pointed out apartment building after apartment building with the penthouse selling in the millions and the smaller flats going for $200,000 and up! "In this country of 74 million," I asked, "in this communist country, how many millionaires are there?"

Se was taken aback by this question and told me that there were none! With as jaundiced an eye as I could conjure up, I said, "Come on Se, for a place to be worth $200,000 there must be a willing buyer with that kind of cash. (He had told us that mortgages were well nigh impossible to get and they ran over 18 per cent.) Se smiled and said that there might just be a few rich people in the "workers' paradise" after all.

"Where would they get this kind of money", I asked.

Se replied, "The stock exchange; almost everyone is into day trading." This was getting to be quite a communist country!

"What about the communist system, and were South Vietnamese glad to see the backs of the Americans?"

Se gave me a 10 minute lecture of the historical divide between North and South going back centuries. When the country had been divided after General Gap slaughtered the French at Dien Ben Phu in 1954, it made some sense to southerners who shuddered at the thought of being governed by Hanoi. While the southerners no more wanted the Americans than their former French masters, many hoped that there would be an independent South Vietnam. I thought his appraisal of the war fair and balanced and I was surprised.

Se also told me of the near famine in the '70s and '80s and how overseas Vietnamese would send help, which the government often intercepted.

Overcrowded rooms

A word about the city itself.

There are more than 10 million in Saigon and it grows by leaps and bounds. It's a curious mixture of blocks and blocks of hucksters standing outside little businesses, which often include living quarters only protected by canvas roofs from the torrential rains that come in season. There are slums -- big time. And there are, as I mentioned, the towering apartment blocks. Se's tale of overcrowding -- 45 people living in a small flat with only three toilets available -- demonstrated that this is still very much a developing country.

Finally, the city has beautiful parks and many old colonial homes built by the French 75 to 100 years ago. No one can pretend any expertise after one day in a place. I have tried to give you a glimpse of what I saw and heard and the surprises it gave me.

But my glimpse of Ho Chi Minh (oops!) Saigon tells me that communism has sure as hell changed!  [Tyee]

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  • Van Isle

    1 year ago

    So, Rafe the question is

    So, Rafe the question is what is real 'communism'. The only country that comes to mind that has anything remotely resembles communism is probably Cuba. Certainly not for North Korea; that's just out and out dictatorship. China, well, the only thing 'communist' in China today is the name of the political party that "runs the joint". Certainly not the former Soviet Union; again the only thing that was communist was the name of the political party who ran the government. What has happened is that those "former communist" countries have evolved into quasi-capitalists. Our western countries have evolved from capitalism to corporatism.

  • Takuan

    1 year ago

    well! Thank the gods they

    well! Thank the gods they spent four million Vietnamese lives (and 50,000 plus American) to stop this from happening! It makes me so proud to see our boys in Afghanistan!

  • Frank

    1 year ago

    The future

    "It's a curious mixture of blocks and blocks of hucksters standing outside little businesses, which often include living quarters only protected by canvas roofs from the torrential rains that come in season. There are slums -- big time."

    Pretty much the same "utopia" the Right has in mind for Canada.

  • OilbertaRedTory

    1 year ago

    The Old SoCred

    is surprised by reality - he should have gone to Hanoi:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HWnou2Ckp0&feature=related

    Uncle Ho was no friend of Mao's ; justifying his agreement to accept French troops staying after the defeat of Japanese occupation:
    "The white man is finished in Asia. I prefer to sniff French shit for five years than eat Chinese shit for the rest of my life."

    He taught the French and US the foundations of guerilla war:
    "You can kill ten of my men for every one I kill of yours, but I will win and you will lose"

    But anti-communist rabids could only froth and foment in favour of regimes like Diem (an anti-Buddhist former Maryknoll seminarian) until he dared try negotiating with Ho prompting the US coup against their former puppet.

    Couple the phony 'Gulf of Tonkin' incident to incite war-fever with phony elections and casual brutality towards prisoners and civilians ... wait - haven't we seen this movie before?

    But our hapless Harper's contempt for Parliament continues:
    "Standing Committee on Citizenship and Immigration reaffirm its position on Iraq war resisters and recommends that the government immediately implement a program to allow conscientious objectors and their immediate family members (partners and dependents), who have refused or left military service related to a war not sanctioned by the United Nations and do not have a criminal record, to apply for permanent resident status and remain in Canada; and that the government should immediately cease any removal or deportation actions that may have already commenced against such individuals."

    http://tinyurl.com/WarResisters

  • OilbertaRedTory

    1 year ago

    The VietCong in 1978

    ... invaded Kampuchea/Cambodia effectively ending Pol Pot's genocide:
    http://www.ppu.org.uk/genocide/g_cambodia.html

    Meanwhile the 'anti-communist' West supported the Khmer Rouge guerillas:
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/feb/21/cambodia-human-rights-john-pilger

    And Rafe wants to know what happened to 'communism' ?

    What the hell happened to Canada ?

  • dplast

    1 year ago

    Look and you shall recieve - Communisim

    The single party system is alive and well, just hang around a while and you will see. On the surface it all looks and sounds one way but behind that everything is orcastrated by the communist party.

    Not sure about the Vietnamese tossing the American's out back in the war days. I'm thinking it was more like the American's, due to political pressure droped the war effort and saying to the ARVAN sink or swim, we have had enough.

    Yes, Afghanistan is much like the Vietnam war, except for the people, geography and the religions.

    I've been living here in Vietnam on and off for 10 years now and a vet so maybe my view is stilted.

    http://dougsasia.blogspt.com

  • Takuan

    1 year ago

    tried that link Doug

    all I see is spam

  • barney

    1 year ago

    Crossing the street

    Rafe, I chuckled over your description of the streets of Ho Chi Minh City, because if there's one thing I recall clearly about my visit to Saigon, it was the faith in chaos required to cross just about any street on foot! A memorable experience!

    As for communism, I think liberal-democratic concepts of freedom & rights tend to be just as relative as other versions. There are few absolutes when it comes to the way people chose (or are told to chose) how to express themselves. Democratic centralism is much maligned, but it has its value for some countries. Moreover, such concepts are highly malleable and always evolving, and they always take place in a historical context. Imposing our democratic values on others far removed from us, historically, geographically and culturally, is little more than an act of ethnocentrism. Vietnam's history is a legacy of invasion, occupation and struggle. How could we have any clue what it must be like to walk in those shoes? I think the Vietnamese have an amazing resilience through it all and the fruits of the resilience are now being seen via its booming tourism industry and trade. If they do this under some warped version of Marxian democratic centralism, far be it for me to dictate. Frankly, I don't consider aspects of our First-Past-Post electoral system much more democratic.

  • Bobby Peru

    1 year ago

    Ain't History a Bitch?

    History is such a cruel master that laughs at the march of folly. The irony is the Vietnamese got around to capitalism anyways and would have done so faster without the Vietnam War. Like Macnamara's book and his documentary, "The Fog of War" asserted, the Vietnamese never wanted a fight with the Americans, they liked the Americans and just wanted independence.

    I can only think of one benefit of the Vietnam War- that other Communist countries were convinced that America was serious about making a stand in Asia. But did that prevent Singapore, Malaysia and Indonesia and Phillippines from falling to Marxist movements? Can't say. And even if it did, the cost in lives was far too much.

    Is Cuba the only true Communist country left? Hardly, it, too, is a petty dictatorship almost a monarchy where another Castro is in charge. It's sad to see Canadians romanticize Cuba without having lived there and experienced the terrible standard of living and oppression.

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