My God

Does not hate
Even a serial Killer
"turn the other cheek'
Sorry, Gay Hate (tongue in cheek) that's what The "king James Version" says.
What version are they reading?
I have read a bit of bible and concluded that the various writers were most likely stoned or labouring under some notion that they could write rules for eternity. Few of the writers had any connection with Jesus Christ or Yehwa.
Halaluya!

come out, come out, wherever you are.

i'd pay to watch some local leather daddies drop by their sad little protest party and show them who's the man.
the only violence likely to result of theit little sojourn up north here is for they themselves to be pelted with bottles and and have their teeth introduced to a nearby curb.
hopefully.

You freaks think you can change God!

Look at you whiny freaks saying the plain words from the Bible -- that the wicked shall be turned into hell -- incites people to violence.

You perverts actually roll through your slimy grimy days thinking you can change God! You have been sent a delusion by your Creator, so that you are utterly blind to anything normal, decent or sensible.

Get a clue brutes! God created you FOR THE EXPRESS PURPOSE OF DESTROYING YOU, all for his glory. Read Romans 1 and 9; in fact read all of the book of Romans; and 1 and 2 Peter; and Jude; and the Revelation. Those are good places to get started on your duty to know the word of God and obey it. Your slithering complaints spread all over cyberspace don't satisfy or dispose of that duty. It's eternal and non-delegable.

Ancient civilizations, like the Assyrians, Egyptians and Babylonians, had perversion down to an art like you. Those civilizations lasted for many centuries, and their strength and sophistication makes doomed north america look like a kindergarten class during recess. God destroyed those nations you fools!

Now doomed north america, including you cursed creepy canadians, think you have something new to offer? Are you kidding me? You eat each other's feces! You hate each other! You're disease-ridden, lazy, violent, and full of hate for each other.

And you are the PERFECT stumbling block for the phony "Christians" of north america to fall flat on their faces. What a beautiful sight. We put forth the words from Mt. Zion, like lightening bolts to your hearts and souls; you publish them; then you all scream and writhe in pain and look to each other for relief. Good luck with that. LOL!

We love this! Raging fags, all over canada and california; and pink-glittery-purse-toting "Christians" trying to talk them out of it. Too funny!

Every time you open your big brutish mouths to rage against God -- supposing you can break off the bands that our words put on your dark conscience -- you publish once again for all the world to see these words of truth and beauty: GOD HATES FAGS! Deal with it!

Meanwhile all your mocking changes nothing. All your laws you get your pandering perverted politicians to pass change nothing. God still hates fags, and the wicked will still be turned into hell.

So get a law passed against God. Get ready to tell the Lord God Almighty all about your canadian laws and how he can't send the wicked to hell or even mention doing so because that hurts your little feelings and violates your stupid hate laws. That's going to be funny to watch!

God hates you! Get a Bible and read it! Stop your filth! Obey!

Magormissabib

Margie Phelps
One of your best and only friends in the world because we tell you the truth about God, heaven, hell, eternity and your duty to obey -- at Westboro Baptist Church

Trolling for Daddy there Margie...?

Must be pretty galling that you have to wait for God to take care of us sinners, especially when your media monitors are so adept at turning up bad press as soon as its published.

Isn't it Veteran's Day down there, and wouldn't your time be better spent remembering people that died for your freedom of speech and religion, regardless of how disgusting you might be in your exercise of those freedoms?

Feel sorry for them...

...for they are the blind, arrogant ones. Yep, Margie, I just feel sorry for you because you are blinded by self righteous hatred, which by the way is also condemned in the bible. What goes around comes around.

God Does Hate Fags / Read The Literature!

The fact is that the god of Abraham, the god worshipped by Jews, Christians and Moslems, does "hate fags".

He's pretty clear on that point in his "revealed word" as found in Leviticus 21:13. Hate the fags. Kill the fags. Blame the fags. Read it and weep.

Mr. Phelps and his hate-filled followers are being totally consistent in their interpretation of "god's will".

To those Jews and Christians who assure us that they don't accept that particular piece of scripture, who cherry-pick among the feel-good portions of their psychopathic deity's revelations, I ask: why do you tolerate this hate literature's continued presence on your pulpits and altars?

Somehow I never hear a satisfactory reply.

The Phelps cult members have as much right to their hateful doctrine as do the congregations at Holy Rosary Cathedral and Schara Tzedeck Synagogue. One sect proclaims it actively, the others perpetuate it passively by allowing its continued enshrinement in their places of worship.

That's free speech, and one of its beauties is that, to the shame of so-called moderate Christians, Jews and Moslems, through the rantings of the likes of Mr. Phelps we get a glimpse of the blood-thirsty heart of the three desert religions.

Let them rant, let them rave. Stand by, bear witness, point and laugh, but keep your fists in your pockets.

See you at the protest.

Typo / It's Leviticus 20:13

Sorry for the misdirection. Though the rest of Leviticus is pretty interesting too! And I don't see anything in the New Testament that says "oh, and we're canceling Leviticus effective immediately!

I was going to

launch into a long diatribe against organized religion but I thought, what the hell good would it do? Those who profess to be christians and spew hatred against those who don't agree with their views will not be swayed by my comments. Instead I will simply say to margie; I think the bible is an abominably horrid work of fiction that, were it written today, never make it to an editors desk, let alone be published. It is a fabrication of fables and morality tales compiled by a misogynistic theocracy for the sole purpose of dominating the worlds peoples and anyone who believes it is the ultimate truth is, frankly, a simpleton. I do not believe in the imaginary ideas of heaven and hell any more than I believe in the tooth fairy or Santa Claus. If your purported god hates me, so be it. Since I do not believe he exists he has no power over me and neither do you. So, condemn me to hell if you must but if you do, I in return will condemn you to the second moon of the planet Tatooine.

Whoa- who let the loonies out of the bin??!

Who the hell are Margie and Kevin? Haha... I'm going to assume their rants are a huge joke because I find it hard to believe such ignorant idiots actually exist.

I'm with Stephanie above:
"So, condemn me to hell if you must but if you do, I in return will condemn you to the second moon of the planet Tatooine."

Planet of the freakin' ultimate loonies!! Wowza- I might go to the protest just to catch a glimpse of these freaks :)

The Disappearing Male, Part II

jrb,

Sorry ... guess I thought you'd pick up on the title of the documentary: "The Disappearing Male".

Because they are disappearing. Just not getting born, is more like it.

Some villages situated close to heavy industrial works, have had their male birth-rates drop dramatically.

The documentary explains who, what, where, when, and especially why. You can find it on CBC's web-site.

As I watched it on CBC Newsworld, I couldn't help wondering if even THAT documented development is sufficient to change the views of some folks who advocate that ONE of this, and ONE of that = a perfect union.

Of course, there are countries which have such strong preferences for male offspring that they end up with villages filled with unhappy bachelors. Naah. God will find a way.

Hello Fii?

I'm a bit taken aback at being lumped in with Margie. I'm guessing Fii didn't actually read my post past the headline --- or is ironically challenged.

Ummm

The 'Ironic' voice takes some time to develop...a couple short posts at a place like this isn't usually conducive to effective irony.

For the most part simple declarative sentences work much better.

If one has a point to make.

Margie Phelps...

Why do you care?

Seriously, if God really does hate fags, I'm pretty sure He's capable of punishing them accordingly. The Big Book makes it pretty clear that judgment isn't your (or my) job. So what's your beef, besides just being a plain old hateful homophobe?

Freddy Krueger-Phelps

"And Jesus calls on all Christians to love Fred Phelps and his believers as well."

Not necessarily. For example:

Jesus' exhortation to "turn the other cheek" is more likely related to the idea of "standing tall" after being slapped with the backhand (a sign of superiority from Roman soldiers to Jesus' followers or other "fringe" folk). Turning the other cheek may well mean to stand up and offer the full face, i.e., the stance of an equal, so that if an opposer were to then strike, it would not be an action of a dominant to a subordinate but of equals standing on equal ground; an action the assaulter might well reconsider.

That said, Freddy Krueger-Phelps should not be allowed entry into Canada.

The Laramie Project

I saw this play a few years ago. It was staged by the Ryerson Theatre Group in Toronto. It was perhaps the most moving experience of my life. sI believe last year, a B.C. high school group was going to put the play on, but because of complaints decided not to.
The play must go on. The play must go on. the play must go on.
Phelps was stopped once before from entering Canada as the RCMP would not guarantee his safety. He must be stopped again.
If he were to make it here, we must swamp him and his message of hate with thousands of bodies, letting him know that he is not welcome here.
How could anyone believe in god and then say that God HATES someone? Sick

Phelps address:
Fred Phelps
Westboro Baptist Church
3701 SW12 St.
Topeka, Kansas
66604

With a little luck...

..Phelps will be denied entry on the basis that his hate literature formed the basis for the opinions so strongly held by Mark Scott in Oshawa last week.

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/article/534469
http://www.xtra.ca/public/National/Brazen_attack_alleged_in_Oshawa-5839.aspx

If the Durham prosecutor upgrades the charges to a hate crime, and if Scott fingers the site that gave him the idea it was 'OK to hate fags', there might be a little justice there.

On the other hand, I'd welcome Phelps and his crowd up just to see what living dinosaurs look like. And judging by Margie's mouth, I'd say "she" is really a "he" and that Fred is already living in sin. Better check her genes to make sure there isn't a Y chromosome hanging around in there, Freddie.

Hey, Margie...

My God says, go f**k thyself, and enjoy! Go forth, but do not multiply, you inbred hillbilly...

An exegesis of reason

Ya know, Margie, if you really wanted to save our sorry asses (regardless of who we are, because I know you've slagged a couple of Christians here on these pages), you could always DIE for us. (Romans 5)

Or stop judging us (Romans 2, 10, 12, 13, 14 and 15).

Or stop trying to live our difficult lives for us (Romans 7).

And remember, Paul is speaking to those who have recognized their fallen nature, sought repentance, been accepted by confession and baptism, and received the gift of the Holy Spirit in return (Romans 1, 2, 4, 7, 8 and 10.) Many of the people on this board have had no opportunity to know this grace, due to the imperfect nature of Christ's servants who populate His churches and imperfectly spread His word.

You're no help. Go away.

RAKHA

I always find it interesting when so-called "Christians", like those in the Wesboro Baptist Church quote the Bible to support their hate for the things God created (read John 1:1-3). It is especially interesting when they totally ignore direct instructions from their Lord and Master in order to do so. I think the noun is "hypocrites".

Jesus, and please remember that Christians believe that Jesus is actually God commented on the use of filthy, disgusting insults in Matthew 5:22, saying that if you called someone "rakha", a filthy insult of his time, or referred to someone as a "fool" (an atheistic irreligious person in his time) you were no better than a murderer.

The modern, filthy insults would include "fag", or "faggot" and the like, so those people are deliberatley making themselves no different than murderers, according to the God they claim they worship. maybe they should spend a little more time actually thinking about what the Bible says.

BC Mary already solved the riddle...

The Westboro Baptist Church must have been built on the site of an old industrial park, something like Love Canal. That would be the only reason humans could be infected to such a degree of toxicity. That and of course inbreeding. You see they are all one family, and cannot allow genetic diversity to enter their soon to be extinct family tree!

I pray hard each time one of these genetic mutations decides to step up to the microphone. I pray there is no God, no heaven, no hell. Only ashes and dust. If there was a God, and actually was listening to these freaks, he'd wipe the earth clean and start fresh, just on the chance he might miss one of them... That's why I pray we're alone in this unvierse.

Just one question, who the hell keeps putting a microphone in their faces? Why don't you media types just go poke a hornets nest for fun? Provoking the criminally insane that have fallen through the social safety net, by giving them a voice is almost as dumb as what you're going to hear them say!

You can't argue this by trying to point out their flawed logic or interpretation of a book. They don't care about anything or anybody. Why, because they're insane!!!
The real enemy is still real relgion, that masks itself as a moderate right wing conservative entity. Lots of hypocrites in that category, and certain enough to elect Geroge Bush.... twice. Lots of sheep in that flock.

Question for Margie

What does the good book say about living off the backs of others? I'm assuming membership in your cult calls for the "donation" of all worldly wealth to the cause...

Apology to the media types...

Re: poking the hornets, my bad....

A note on moderation... or lack thereof.

Hi everyone,

As many of you know, we try to remove from our threads anything that smacks of sexism, homophobia, racism, and so on -- basically, anthing that's hate-filled. And, just to be clear, we also try to inhibit personally offensive comments directed at other commenters or our writers. Our goal with this approach is to create a forum where no one feels intimidated, which, we hope, leads to a greater diversity of voices.

And then there's this thread.

After much thought and debate, we've decided to leave the thread largely as-is, including Margie's invective-filled post.

We're thinking that, in this case, we'd rather these opinions get expressed in the light of day (and debated and argued and exposed for what they are) than delete them and let them fester and grow in the dark corners of our society.

That said, we'd still prefer the comments to remain as respectful as possible and will try to moderate with that in mind. If you want to help us, you can do so by countering some of the more egregious posts here with rational and thoughtful responses, rather than more invective (as difficult as that may be). For those who have already done so, thanks.

-Tyee moderation team.

As a homosexual, I'm tired

As a homosexual, I'm tired of this. I'm tired of the fact that people like Margie, above, won't just leave us alone.

I feel sad that people hate so much. Just reading that post above, it made me feel sickened and saddened. I've come to realize that the rights that we have fought so long for are very fragile. I've come to accept that even in Canada, one day, someone could legislate away my right to exist.

It's happened to people in the past... why it just happened in California with proposition 8! What's next? Are we going to have our right to live taken away? Are we going to be fair game for the sadistic anti-christians to attack?

As it is, hate crimes, especially against homosexuals, are not taken seriously by police and the justice system. Look at that Webster fellow who was murdered in Stanley park for being gay, or the fellow that was just attacked on Davie street, or how the queers in Oshawa are being treated.

I've actually been refused rental by a landlord because I am a lesbian. He told the person I was going to live with that he "just cleaned up all the drug dealers and prostitutes" and "didn't want that kind of person" in the building.

It is gross, and people still get away with it all time time. The first time I kissed a girl in public, in Langley, I was egged.

Yet it still goes on. Posters like this Margie woman are allowed to continue spewing their hate... as if reading that could do anything except spread poison.

It physically hurt me to read that. It did. I don't care about discussion in this case. There is nothing to discuss. It is a disgusting post. The comment should be removed.

Perhaps the post should

Perhaps the post should stand, so as to expose the ugliness of homophobia and create awareness for those who think that this is not a serious topic.
Through exposure, I think the KKK kind of fell apart. Public pressure cannot come to bear without awareness.
I'll bet 90% of the people of Vancouver do not know of "Pastor" Phelps and thus would not get excited about his possible visit here. They will only get involved if they are exposed to his "message".
In any case, the play must go on. The play must go on.
The play must go on.

My apologies, Kevin

I do tend to read too quickly- or scan even- and yeah, I didn't read your post thoroughly.

If God hates fags ...

... Jesus loves catamites :
Matt ch8vs5-13 / Luke ch7vs1-10

- although "the plain words of the bible" are a lot plainer in the slightly more original Greek [pais = lover] since we don't have the really original Aramaic. Maybe.

Mr Phelps, a coward, quaked in his boots at the thought of Canadians watching him burn our flag in front of the Supreme Court. So he hid at home :
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/1999/06/28/phelps990628.html

The RCMP kindly offered helpful safety tips for the flag-burners.

Create solutions to preserve free speech and demonstrate support for our fellow (gay) citizens; sponsor $$ per minute that this cult protests and donate the funds to anti-bigotry education.

Let The Hate Be Heard

My thanks to Geoff and others at the Tyee for letting Ms. Phelps' hateful rant stand.

I think it is important for us to know what these people are thinking and saying. As well, my own earlier post could have been read as being hateful towards Jews, Christians and Moslems, and I might have been de-posted as well!

As a gay man I am alarmed by the vitriol of these rants. As a student of history, religion, theology and scripture I am not surprised. As a civil libertarian I want these fantatics to have the freedom to express their hateful views, so we can know who they are, what they think, and respond accordingly.

And thanks to Fii for re-reading my post and acknowledging the misinterpretation.

Westboro Baptist Church

Westboro Baptist Church sounds like it will appeal to all sorts of miserable, hate-filled fanatics who want to destroy other people's happiness.

Know thine enemy

As has already been noted here, one cannot fully comprehend the hatred entrained in messages such as Phelps' until one is actually exposed to it.

Since Tyee is not a medium that is friendly to such messages, printing them here could hardly be seen as promotion of bigotry.

I am in full agreement with those others who have observed that the three "desert" religions - Judaism, Christianity, and Islam - are quite willing to deal summarily with those they see as opponents, or who they choose as opponents, such as gays.

Some day, I suppose, we will become truly civilised, having left our superstitions behind us.

Dear Moderators: a simple, successful rule ...

I've never forgotten the successful blogger who wrote out her simple rules for comment moderation.

It went something like this: "I delete any comment which in any way offends me. That's my only rule, which I never explain or discuss. I simply delete. It's my blog and I'll run it the way I think best."

I thought, "Damn right." That way, nobody is hurt ( banned), nobody is embarrassed (lectured on their sins), and anybody whose comment disappears can think it over in private, then come back with an improved comment.

I recommend that Blogger's simple remedy to The Tyee. All you need is the DELETE button.

Then please promise: No more bannings, no lectures, no finger-wagging.

Sadly enough...

the more one stares at the Kreepy Khristian Kritters that flit around just South of the Border...

the more you start to notice things like:

American 'Crusaders' emblems in the military.
documentaries like, "The DoomsDay Code" (Channel 4 UK

& realize how much money is dumped into the Canadian economy by religious groups which are highly ReichWing political in the US...
the role religious extremism has been used by Southern US economic entities:
(BigTobacco, BigCotton, BigSugar, BigOil)
Oh my, are Saskatchewan, BC & Alberta seeing a large & politically & financially vocal group of these religious groups that cluster in places like Utah & Texas...

Then you realize that the US economy has dictated the industries & domestic policies in Canada... based entirely upon supporting the post-Civil War reconstruction economies.

its really sad...

Its enough to give you the chills.
What the hell are we doing?

Spread Love, not corporate dependence...

BlueBerry Pick'n
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