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'Town Hells' Caught on YouTube
U.S. debate on health care reform turns ugly. Is this democracy?
Video of heated health care town hall meeting in Tampa.
A series of video bombshells that hit the net last week gave viewers a flavour of the mayhem caused by angry mobs transforming town halls to 'town hells' in the U.S.
Designed to sell a Democratic national healthcare plan to constituents, the meetings have instead been most successful in attracting right-wing shit-disturbers. In one video, Americans are seen banging on doors outside a town hall in Tampa and yelling "Hear our voice! Hear our voice!" In another, a group of attendees are caught on camera brawling after a town hall in St. Louis. The fight led to the arrest of six people -- two were due to "suspicion of assault, one of resisting arrest and three on suspicion of committing peace disturbances."
Another video making the rounds is of a town hall in Dallas organized by the AARP, a non-partisan special interest group. The video cuts between shots of exasperated organizers and their unruly audience. The organizers eventually walk out. This seems to be the protesters' modus operandi -- to overwhelm town hall organizers and ultimately shut down debates.
And their strategy seems to be working. As the healthcare reform debates rage on, pundits ask not whether Obama's healthcare imbroglio will cost him in the polls, but by how much.
In a debate that has pitted Democratic against Republican community organizers, who have more clout is still unclear. Supporters of Democratic healthcare legislation benefit from a $40 million budget and the efforts of labour unions, community activist and special interests groups such as SEIU, AFSCME, Acorn and Healthcare for America Now. On the other hand, Republican industry-backed groups appear in good company with some of the more aggressive right-wingers in the country. Their incendiary tactics have succeeded in leading organizers to cancel town hall meetings over fears of violence.
Watching some of these tactics used and captured on video is uncomfortable, to say the least. But it's worth asking: Are these protest strategies citizen participation at its finest, or democracy gone haywire?
It's difficult to judge while watching YouTube. While the Web is rife with videos of the most virulent of protests, perspectives from moderates weighing in on the debates -- whose views are no less important -- are lamentably harder to find. ![]()




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OilbertaRedTory
2 years ago
Lessons for Prince Obama
Men are so simple and so much inclined to obey immediate needs that a deceiver will never lack victims for his deceptions.
It ought to be remembered that there is nothing more difficult to take in hand, more perilous to conduct, or more uncertain in its success, than to take the lead in the introduction of a new order of things. Because the Innovator has for enemies all those who have done well under the old conditions, and lukewarm defenders in those who may do well under the new. This coolness arises partly from fear of the opponents, who have the laws on their side, and partly from the incredulity of men, who do not readily believe in new things until they have had a long experience of them.
Niccolo Machiavelli
JoeBarrett
2 years ago
Religious Right Fighting Health Care
Last night's As It Happens featured an interview with Frank Schaeffer, a founder of the Religious Right. The disruptive tactics being used at town halls to fight public health care are the same tactics used to fight Pro-Choice clinics.
Schaeffer's book, 'Crazy for God' reveals the money behind the religious right's campaigns.
freebear
2 years ago
Similar to SLAP suits
Desperate measures in desperate times!
Save U.S. Prince Obama!
Bob Watts
2 years ago
People of God.
Americans, with a Bible in one hand and a Gun in the other hand. Don't these guys read the Bible or should I say don't they understand God gave this planet to all of us, and each of us to each other. God's laws state thou shall not kill, yet no health insurance means death to your fellow citizens. If you believe in God but not in his teachings, then why bother, it's just GREED GREED GREED to not share health care and a healthy life. What a sick and twisted way to live. Satan doesn't like health care for all either, he's into watching people suffer without insurance, losing their homes, or commiting suicide rather than suffering in pain.
Jerry Munro
2 years ago
It's Systemic, there and here...
"It ought to be remembered that there is nothing more difficult to take in hand, more perilous to conduct, or more uncertain in its success, than to take the lead in the introduction of a new order of things. Because the Innovator has for enemies all those who have done well under the old conditions..."
Thanks for this OilbertaRedTory. Very appropriate.
I would only point out, if not necessarily around this issue of health care, that those who have done well under the "old condition", and who are integrated into and a part of the old order, very often, includes Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition.
Which can make the going real tough, at least whilst their credibility hangs in there... rapidly waning though it be.
It's mind boggling though, to watch the hysteria of these right wing Repugnants in the US, no doubt. Though I was around to watch the similar hysteria by these same "private enterpriser" folks, when the old CCF under Tommy Douglas brought medicare to Saskatchewan. The were just as fierce and abusive, no less.
So, we should kid ourselves not. We have the same shared view of the world types as these loonies here. And they are winning, aided by the timidity of our own Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition, at eroding the quality of health services in this country, and nowhere more so than in this province.
nechakogal
2 years ago
this protest brought to you by...
"But it's worth asking: Are these protest strategies citizen participation at its finest, or democracy gone haywire?"
There is no doubt this hysteria has been well funded by vested corporate interests. I wish this story had dug a little deeper, not doing that the article almost appears to legitimize corporate manipulation.
What is more tragic is that you see so many mature adults in these mobs. It is difficult not to wonder about the state of democracy when our largest demographic, our elders, seem so easily manipulated. That is, unless they are on the payroll and that would just be despicable, as I believe retirees are the largest group of beneficiaries of publicly subsidized healthcare in the US. Anyway, the world seems upside down from the view of this debate.
Skywalker
2 years ago
When you are a minority act like morons.
few voices seem to think that if they are louder they will give the impression of being many. It is a case of ignorant people who have no information that might sway an opinion using volume to drown out any opposing view. It is an attempt to win by intimidation and boorishness.
It always amazes me that we in Canada seem to try to get closer to this kind of horror. The less America influences Canada the better. I'll even take a lower standard of living if it means we don't have such moronic behavior here.
Fii
2 years ago
Where's Michael Moore these
Where's Michael Moore these days??
Fiat lux
2 years ago
The latest in this criminal
The latest in this criminal propaganda campaign seems to be that universal medicare will give ethunasia pills to old people.
Where on Earth do these crooks come up with such lies, and how can anybody have such low intelligence to believe them ?
So where are our local so called "conservative" trolls demanding the end of universal medicare?
Ed Deak.
Glen Murtz
2 years ago
All Quiet On the Western Front
The Weimar Republic floundered on it's ability to control the insanity of street level militia's (ie: roving gangs), like those led by Joseph Goebbels, who participated in shutting down screenings of a movie that dared to provide an alternative (and personal, as opposed to national) perspective of the war they had just lost.
These roving gangs screamed and yelled throughout the movie, hurled items at the screen and finally, turned to viciously beating up the patrons.
Never underestimate the power of laying blame (Palin makes a perfect politician in this respect) to ignite violence in the ignorant or the hopeless.
It will get much, much worse in the U.S. before it gets better.
Jay Currie
2 years ago
Democracy in Action
Having watched the fraudulent and unread Cap and Trade legislation sail through the House of Representatives largely unread, the right in the US was not about to let a profoundly flawed health care bill go unopposed.
However, this is a part of a much larger story: the Tea Party movement which is protesting the overall thrust toward larger government and larger deficits.
Just as Soros funded Move-On there are certainly wealthy individuals who are putting up some money for these protests. But it is not obvious that, unlike the pro-Obama people - these protestors are bought and paid for.
Our American friends are in for some very interesting times in the next few years.
spark.1234
2 years ago
Non-partisan
If you watch some of the videos on youtube, it's clear that it's not only 'right wing nuts' that are up in arms about this bill. It's bluedog democrats and independents too. Spending another trillion dollars of money they don't have seems to stoke popular dissent across the board.
The bill isn't proposing single payer healthcare like we have here in canada, regardless of how many representitives think that's the best way to go. The health insurance companies hold too much sway to allow that option to be tabled (as Bernie Sander's said at a press conference yesterday).
It's cloudy as to what they're really proposing as the bill they're debating now in the townhall meetings is not going to be the one that passes (or fails).