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Ladner and Vision: Who Courted Whom?
NPA councillor discussed switching sides, claims De Genova.
NPA's Peter Ladner
[*Note: this story was updated at 12:25 p.m. on Feb. 15 with comment from Vision co-chair Mike Magee, and again at 9:00 a.m. on Feb. 20 regarding Kennedy Stewart's quote in the Georgia Straight.]
Non-Partisan Association Councillor Peter Ladner recently met unsuccessfully with a leader of rival Vision Vancouver party to seek that party's mayoral endorsement, claims Allan De Genova, who has already said he wants to run for mayor under the Vision banner.
But Ladner tells it differently, claiming Vision courted him as a candidate, and he demurred.
Ladner now is widely expected to seek a nomination to run for mayor for the NPA.
"Peter did meet with Vision not too long ago," De Genova told The Tyee, "and I know he left the meeting feeling that things didn't come together the way he wanted."
Responding to a Tyee request to comment, Ladner left a voicemail minimizing the significance of his contact with Vision, portraying it as a casual conversation with an old friend, not a formal meeting or negotiation.
"Mike Magee is an old friend of mine. We were out to lunch and he casually asked me if I would run for Vision. I told him it wasn't going to happen. It was no big deal."
Magee is co-chair of Vision Vancouver. He told The Tyee Ladner "is a friend despite our different political affiliations. I think it's unfortunate that he's with the NPA but I still respect him. Nothing much should be read into the fact that we enjoy sharing a meal to discuss issues occassionally."*
Jockeying for position
Ladner did say in the same voicemail that the rumour he had met with Vision seemed to be all over town.
The claim that Ladner had been testing the political waters for a possible jump from NPA to Vision comes as the pre-nomination manoeuvres of the men who would be mayor are filling local news media. De Genova told The Tyee that he intended to file nomination application papers with Vision just as soon as the party's executive was ready, and said he had recruited well over 500 new members to support his candidacy.
De Genova referred to NDP MLA Gregor Robertson and City Councillor Raymond Louie, who both figure prominently in speculation about who might carry the Vision banner next fall, as his "pal opponents," and expressed his warm regards for both, as well as for Ladner.
Nevertheless, in what is already shaping up to be a bruising contest to fill the Vancouver mayor's seat for the term that will include the 2010 Olympics, De Genova's story could drive a deeper wedge between COPE and Vision.
Vision was formed by allies of then-mayor Larry Campbell as a schism widened within the then-reigning COPE (Coalition of Progressive Electors) party during its only term of city hall dominance. In the last election, four members of Vision and one COPE candidate were elected to the city council, controlled by a majority of six NPA councillors, including mayor Sam Sullivan.
Divide not healed
Unions are withholding funding from both COPE and Vision while the schism persists. Some activists on the left within the labour movement have publicly claimed COPE should not be punished for the split, declaring Vision doesn’t deserve union funding because it takes far more money from developers and other business interests.
De Genova is a five-term former Parks Board commissioner and longtime NPA fundraiser and organizer. But he was expelled from that organization by current mayor Sam Sullivan in 2006, and says he declined to return to the fold when the suspension expired.
"I was happy as an independent," De Genova told The Tyee. "I will bring to Vision my skills as a consensus builder and team player. I'm not here to re-make Vision. I like their social policies, but I'm a fiscal conservative. I've reached out to Vision, to COPE and even to union leaders. The union guys said I was somebody they could work with."
Ladner's red light
Meanwhile, the Vancouver Sun's Frances Bula reported on Feb. 13 that she was told by the NPA president Matthew Taylor that Ladner intends to seek the NPA nod to run for mayor.
In order to do so, Ladner will need to persuade that organization to reverse a "greenlight" procedure it adopted last fall, reportedly at Mayor Sullivan's urging. The policy as it stands is seen as a block to non-incumbents being nominated by NPA, and would thus prevent a Ladner nomination.
SFU public policy professor Kennedy Stewart was quoted the next day in the Georgia Straight, saying that De Genova's candidacy for Vision would discredit the new party's claim to represent the centre left, and would revive the possibility for another COPE victory in the fall.
The Tyee placed a call to Vision council member Raymond Louie with a request for comment on this story. The call was not returned.
The Tyee spoke to Mayor Sullivan's press spokesman, David Hurford, who said he was sure the mayor would not be willing to comment.
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chevy
4 years ago
Its about time!
I think this is great for Vancouver. Finally we'll have some lively debate. Its about the issues now. The mayor has already played his character debate to death and now he has to stand on his issues and policies. It'll be a good test to see who can stand up and show themselves as a good leader. I don't think this mayor has been a good leader. As for the unions witholding monies, I say good. Their money should not be allowed to help in this race. Union dues are best used when assisting union members, not political parties. I want to see these candidates poke holes in Sam's policies and practices. Let's see if those policies can stand these tests. What I don't want to see is those dirty, nasty attacks that we have seen from Sam's people in the past. This entire situation should make for some good reading in the next while. Thanks.
Grumpy
4 years ago
The Gravy Train....
It seems Ladner's blind ambition to become mayor is showing. It is long held belief that being mayor of Vancouver is a very helpful stepping stone to become Premier, a very lucrative job in BC.
So he is about to stab Sam 'The Unwise" in the back to get the golden ring; and why not, to be mayor during the Olympics, is to turbo-boost ones political career.
gramscian
4 years ago
That leaves Cadman
With Vision bringing in a right-wing candidate, and two right-wing candidates fighting it out within the NPA, doesn't this make David Cadman of COPE the no-brainer for the left, and even for some of the "centre."
Now we know why Vision Vancouver has been ignoring COPE's pleas for unity for the past year. They've been too busy having lunch with NPA councillors and trying to court a right-wing mayoral candidate (Jamie Graham, Carole Taylor, De Genova...and now Peter Ladner!)
Luke Skywalker
4 years ago
Quote:With Vision bringing
No kidding. What is particularly bizarre is De Genova's reference to potential Vision candidate and rival Gregor Robertson.
http://vancouver.24hrs.ca/Columnists/KingsCorner/2008/02/08/4834190-sun.html
One would think that both would be somewhere in the centre of the political spectrum, which attracted them to Vision in the first place.
But I digress.
gramscian
4 years ago
Actually, Kennedy Stewart
Actually, Kennedy Stewart has more ties to Vision than to COPE, but what he's saying is that if De Genova and the Liberals take over Vision then the left will have to unite behind COPE.
Imagine that all this could have been avoiding if people like Geoff Meggs and Jim Green has not brought in Larry Campbell to COPE in the first place. And COPE could have won anyway back in 2002, albeit with more media hostility and a slimmer margin, with Cadman.
Stump
4 years ago
Use more force Luke
Quote:
Gregor Robertson's leanings were "so left he falls over," and declaring that he couldn't serve on council with Robertson as mayor.
Dandy selective quoting there. Nice to skip the rest where De Genova admits his error and changes his position about Robertson. That a sign of integrity IMO.
biscotti
4 years ago
Parties' financial backers
I would love to see pie charts showing breakdowns of all the political parties' donation sources.
gramscian
4 years ago
McGee spin doesn't wash
So Mike Magee, the co-chair of Vision Vancouver, gets in an additional quote to say that nothing much should be read in to his having the occasional meal with NPA cllr Peter Ladner. But Mike, you asked Peter Ladner to run for mayor under the banner of Vision Vancouver! Are we allowed to read something into that?
How can Vision bash COPE for not capitulating sufficiently and not "uniting the left" when Magee and company are transparently trying to fill the centre-right of the political spectrum. The people who run Vision and the NPA really believe that political decisions are best made in backrooms, or over a nice lunch, rather than by a democratic grassroots process. It's enough to turn one off from the cynicism of electoral politics for good.
Leaflet
4 years ago
Naivete?
My instincts suggests a simple explanation:
Over the years the extreme right wing politicians have grown increasingly crass in their neo-liberal shananagins and it began to make their corporate masters squirm.
Then came the Tony Blair solution which proved that a supposedly working class political party like British Labour could deliver the goods to the corporate elite far more efficiently than the old style conservative business parties.
Bring in Larry Campbell to take over COPE and deliver on key issues for the neo-liberal agenda like the RAV-line. On discovering some left wing hardliners would not oblige, a split is created that leaves the left abandoned with responsibility for all the mutual election debts while the corporate toadies with their corporate funding set up a "visionary" party that is unencumbered by the "political lunacy" of the "extremists" who insisted on sticking to their election promises.
Next thing we know, the BCFED unions are having nothing to do with COPE until they do a deal with Vision--Vision being the new "voice of reason" on the left that union bosses find so accommodating to their particular interests.
The only problem with all this is that there is nothing leftish about Vision. I base this on the simple fact that the Vision representatives, when they were known as COPE Lite, obliged the neo-liberal provincial government with an opportunity to succeed with getting a major privatization scheme--a precedent setting 3P operation--in place in BC.
My prediction: The NPA will eventually fade away as Vision comes to represent the growing power of the Young Turks of big business (greening of business, anyone?) who are gradually shunting aside the Neanderthals of big business.
Perhaps the unions can then get back to helping with funding the left as some small way of offsetting the funding that the business parties get from business. The corporations fund parties to ensure that their agenda carries the day. Though miniscule by comparison, the funding that unions give to parties is intended to champion the interests of ordinary people.
Union funding is all that stands between us and the flood of corporate self-interest that seeks to mould our reality for their benefit. Denying that class interests are at work here is dishonest and I can't wait for the unions to come to their senses on this issue.
G West
4 years ago
Excellent point Leaflet
And you know, after last summer and fall in Vancouver you'd think that union memebership might have gotten that message loud and clear...
Perhaps as the new municipal tax regime starts to cut....oh, cripes, no working people can afford to live here anymore anyway.
At least there is a place like Tyee where the subject can at least come up...
Nice post!
Name
4 years ago
Conflicted?
Di Genova likes Vision's social policies but he's a fiscal conservative. Doesn't he grasp the contradiction? You can't pay for the social policies via fiscal conservatism and ever more tax cuts - that's why our streets are filled with the homeless, the mentally ill, high-school dropouts getting into drugs and running with gangs, etc.
Or maybe "Vision's social policies" aren't what I assumed they were all along. Who is Vision anyway and what is their Vision?
If they're courting Di Genova and Ladner, while Robertson (who thinks social programs for the needy means a bailout for Cambie merchants) is seen as a whacko ultra-leftist, this does not sound like COPE Lite any more - Magee and co have followed Senator Larry across the centre line to become NPA Lite.
That leaves a huge gap on the centre left that I don't see COPE filling unless they miraculously manage to reinvent themselves overnight.
skip handel
4 years ago
Visions Of Sugarplums
The financial disclosure document for 2005 filed by Vision Vancouver provides an interesting insight into where Vision Vancouver -- a split from COPE led initially by ex-mayor Larry Campbell and then by ex-councillor Jim Green -- gets its money (and where it draws its support from).
The document is available online at http://vancouver.ca/ctyclerk/election2005/candidates_all.htm#elector_org (Click on the Vision Vancouver election financial disclosure statement PDF file.)
Vision received a total of $1,357,307.26 in contributions.
$991,296.47 was from corporations (73.0% of the total)
$201,316.93 was from individuals (14.8%)
$158,318.86 was from unions (11.7%)
Developers contributed a minimum of $396,087 (29.2% of total contributions).
The liquor and bar industry kicked in $30,750 (2.3% of total contributions).
Casino and gambling interests donated $205,785 (15.2% of total contributions).
In short, developers, gambling and liquor interests accounted for almost half of Vision Vancouver's total election contributions ($632,622, or 46.7% of all donations).
Nine corporations contributed $20,000 or more and accounted for 33.5% of total donations (these were Eagle Medallion Fortress International Corp. (internet gambling) - $169,995; Rennie Marketing Systems (developer) - $75,639; Concord Pacific (developer) - $48,250; Ashford Management (Coast Whistler Hotel) - $35,000; Great Canadian Casino (gambling) - $30,750; Xiang Enterprises (unknown) - $30,680; Pequod Sailing Corp. (John McCaw (part-owner of Vancouver Canucks) - $28,963; Warrington PCI Management (property managers) - $21,500; The Keg Restaurant (food services) - $20,000.
Not to mention the $9,100 donated to Vision Vancouver by the viciously anti-union Telus Communications ($7,600 of it during the TWU lockout in 2005).
Larry Campbell is now a Liberal senator. Jim Green is now a consultant employed by Bastion Development Corporation Ltd. (which donated $13,750 to Vision).
Any questions?
gramscian
4 years ago
BC Fed director takes corporate cash for Vision
Oh, and the official signer of that financial disclosure for Vision Vancouver, which showed 73% of their donations coming from corporations? Geoff Meggs, the former communist who at the time was the Executive Director of the BC Federation of Labour.
With friends like these...
Budd Campbell
4 years ago
DYSFUNCTIONAL, SMALL-TOWN POLITICS
"Nothing much should be read into the fact that we enjoy sharing a meal to discuss issues occassionally."
Correct. In fact, nothing much should be read into this entire exercise in dysfunctional, small-town, parish pump politics, that is trying hard to at least look like big city politics by downing enough no-fat, decaf lattes, and getting photographed cycling to City Hall when the Benz is in the garage.