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A Jumbo Showdown

Key decision looms on fate of proposed ski resort.

By Bill Metcalfe, 15 Feb 2008, TheTyee.ca

Jumbo Resort site

In the Purcells, proposed site of Jumbo Glacier Resort.

A survey of residents living near the proposed $450 million Jumbo Glacier Resort has added more fuel to the fiery debate in the East Kootenays about that project.

And there will soon be an answer to the big question about Jumbo: Will the provincial government push the project into existence despite significant local opposition, or will it keep its commitment to have the final decision made locally by the board of the East Kootenay Regional District (RDEK)?

The online survey was started by Lillian Rose, the elected representative for Area F of the RDEK where Jumbo Resort would be situated. The survey asked local residents: Do you support the Jumbo Glacier Resort? The results: 689 against the project, 180 in favour.

"I'm confident that the people who elected me have sent a strong message," Rose said. "I'm taking my direction from them."

Jumbo Glacier is at the head of Jumbo Creek in the Purcell Mountains north of Nelson and west of Invermere. The completed real estate development and all-season ski resort, proposed by Glacier Resorts Ltd. of Vancouver, would consist of a village of condos, chalets, shops and hotels with thousands of guests and residents. It would provide 20 lifts for expensive year-round skiing on several nearby glaciers.

Grant Costello, vice-president of Glacier Resorts Ltd., commenting on Rose's survey, told the Fernie Free Press on Jan. 9 that "It's not an opinion poll at all . . . it proves nothing. It proves they got 600 people to respond to a self-selecting survey." Costello said the number of responses represents "less than 10 per cent of eligible survey participants."

Long, winding process

Since 1991 the Jumbo proposal has undergone a labyrinth of government processes, lobbying, debate, and significant public opposition. NDP MLA Norm McDonald, in whose Columbia-Revelstoke riding the project would sit, says reaction received by his office over the years has been about six to one against the project. In the 60-day period in the spring of 2004 in which the public (both in and outside of the East Kootenays) was asked to comment on Glacier Resorts' project proposal, the B.C. Environment Assessment Office reported that 91 per cent of the 5,839 comments received were against the project.

Last year, following the provincial Environmental Review Process, the government signed a Master Plan Agreement with Glacier Resorts Ltd. The next step would be the signing of a Master Development Agreement, after discussions with First Nations.

For a project like Jumbo to proceed, the province is obliged to meaningfully consult with local First Nations. The Ktunaxa Nation Council is still discussing mitigation and compensation with the province, the developer, and its own people.

"People always talk about this as environmentalists vs. developers," says Lillian Rose," but I always tell them it's more complex than that because it is about the treaty."

Local decision was promised

Whether or not an agreement is reached with the Ktunaxa, the next step may be for the company to ask the RDEK to approve of the project by rezoning the land in the Jumbo Valley, following an October 2005 statement by then-minister of Sustainable Resource Development George Abbott:

"The final decision will be in the hands of those closest to the project . . . . The project would not be able to proceed without the approval of the East Kootenay Regional District."

The RDEK is governed by a 15-member board of representatives from the communities of Radium Hot Springs, Invermere, Elkford, Sparwood, Fernie, Kimberley, Cranbrook, Windermere, Canal Flats and six rural areas in the vicinity.

Government has other options

Many East Kootenay residents think the provincial government will decide to override Abbott's commitment, and allow the project to proceed without any more input from local residents. It could do that in one of two ways:

It could invoke the Significant Projects Streamlining Act, which allows the provincial government to undertake any project it wishes.

Or the government could rely on section 16 of Bill 11, passed in 2007 as the Community Service Statutes Amendment Act, to declare the Jumbo Valley a resort municipality, regardless of local public opinion. Such a municipality could stand on its own or be annexed by another municipality not necessarily in the near vicinity.

Would the government intervene in this way? Opponents of the project fear it will. So does Corky Evans, whose Nelson-Creston riding is west of the Jumbo Valley. He says the bill should have been named the Jumbo Resort Amendment Act, and in a speech in the legislature during the debate on Bill 11 he engaged in a bit of political theatre:

"There are people over there who don't believe me. I'm going to stand here silently. I don't have a watch. I'll stand here silently, if I can, for 30 seconds. Let one member of the provincial council or the premier shout out that they do not intend and promise not to use this legislation to make Jumbo Resort a done deal.

"Hon. Speaker, did you notice the silence? Folks at home, did you notice the silence? You can't see it, but nobody in this room spoke up. Thirty seconds went by, and nobody spoke because they're honest people, and they don't want to lie. Because they're honourable members, and they don't want to lie . . . they didn't speak up. Why is that? Because that's exactly what they intend to do . . . . On a day when nobody's watching, some fall when they don't even have a session, they intend to simply slip it through."

Revving up the ski biz

The Ministry of Tourism, Sports, and the Arts has vowed to double tourism in B.C. from its 2005 levels by 2015. For crown-land tenured ski resorts such as the one proposed for Jumbo, the province gets two per cent of the gross revenue from the operation. That amounted to $3 million last year from all resorts in the province. The developer also pays the province $5000 per acre for the land, which the developer can then sell for a higher real estate market value.

Greg Deck, the chair of the RDEK and the mayor of Radium Hot Springs, says he hopes the province will step in and declare the Jumbo Valley a resort municipality, and he expects that will happen soon. He says the RDEK is not equipped to make a decision of this scale and scope. "We have never done anything on the scope of an environmental review. Our land use planning is about human settlements, and this is a long way from that -- it's more on the scale of a mine or a timber operation."

Deck says the province should decide on the project because "local residents are not the only ones who will depend on the benefits that will come from it."

Mark Schmigelsky is one RDEK board member who disagrees with Deck. He's the mayor of Invermere, the town closest to the proposed resort. The Invermere Village Council is officially against the project. "Having the RDEK make this decision would be no different from what it normally does," he says. "If we are not capable of that, we are not capable of anything."

Columbia River-Revelstoke MLA Norm McDonald says the government should honour its 2005 commitment to let the RDEK decide.

"Local people will get disillusioned about the political system," McDonald told The Tyee. "If the government walks away from the promise to let it be decided locally, that's not a good message to people, especially young people, about the political system; it would just make them even more cynical."

Yet another option for Jumbo would be for an existing municipality to annex the Jumbo area -- to expand its municipal boundaries to include it. Schmigelsky says several communities in the area, including Invermere, Windermere, Canal Flats, Fairmont, and Radium are looking at the idea of amalgamating to become a regional municipality which could also include Jumbo. He says this idea is not specifically a response to Jumbo-- it would solve a number of other governance issues in the area.

Deck's and Schmigelsy's differing opinions mirror the views of the RDEK board as a whole, which Deck says is sharply divided on the issue. He says a vote would probably result in an 8-7 decision in either direction.

Jumbo-sized questions remain

No matter how the decision is made, or what the governance model, the issues that have been debated for 20 years are all alive and well, including:

How would the Jumbo project affect the environment? As a result of the province's environmental review process, the company has had to make some changes to its original proposal. But there are still concerns that the resort will fracture the uninterrupted wilderness nature of the Purcells, and in particular affect grizzly bear populations. A new scientific study completed since the signing of the Master Plan Agreement says the bear numbers on which that agreement was based are wrong, and environmental groups say the grizzly discussion needs to be re-opened by the province. The province says that new grizzly information will be incorporated into the current discussions with the Ktunaxa Nation Council.

Will there be enough skiers? Some ski industry experts contend that skier numbers are dropping and will continue to do so because of global warming and the aging of the baby boomers who form the bulk of the skier population. Others, including Vancouver architect Oberto Oberti, the president of Jumbo Glacier Resorts Ltd, claim to have crunched the numbers sufficiently to know that skiers will flock there: "B.C. could have five more Whistlers."

What about global warming? The ski resort industry is expected to be hit hard by rising temperatures, despite advances in snow-making technology. That's one reason why the provincial government's strategy, at Jumbo and elsewhere, is to push all-season development of resorts that offer complete holiday packages, not just skiing. The promoters and supporters of the Jumbo development use climate change to their advantage: they say that because Jumbo and surrounding glaciers are at higher altitude (3400 metres) than any other ski resorts in B.C., they will presumably be the last to melt.

Will the project create jobs, or will it be unable to find workers? MLA McDonald argues that there is a serious labour shortage in the East Kootenays, particularly in the service and construction industries. But Allen Miller, president of the Columbia Valley Chamber of Commerce says, "If you have a good project, and you get creative about attracting people from outside and care for them well by giving them staff housing and other benefits, they will come."

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  • Luke Skywalker

    3 years ago

    Well, the Jumbo Glacier

    Well, the Jumbo Glacier Resort Project went through the appropriate statutory hoops of the Environmental Assessment Act and received its certificate on August 3, 2004.

    http://www.eao.gov.bc.ca/epic/output/documents/p18/1097770144725_07338a2dfccd485586b0bb54d47a6303.pdf

    Obviously from a business perspective, they should work together with the Ktunaxa First Nation to alleviate any of their concerns as many other developments have throughout BC.

    Quote:
    Greg Deck, the chair of the RDEK and the mayor of Radium Hot Springs, says he hopes the province will step in and declare the Jumbo Valley a resort municipality, and he expects that will happen soon. He says the RDEK is not equipped to make a decision of this scale and scope.

    It appears that the developer has some support but methinks that the whole project is surrounded by *politics* as opposed to *environmental* concerns.

    As for the remaining *Jumbo-sized questions*:

    Quote:
    Will there be enough skiers? What about global warming? Will the project create jobs, or will it be unable to find workers?

    Those should be the developer's concerns and impact upon any decision to move forward from a business perspective.

    I don't recall any of these concerns related to the recently commenced $1 billion ski development just up the highway in Revelstoke.

    Apparently, Americans and Calgarians are snapping up properties in that new ski development based upon various media reports.

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20080129.RREVELSTOKE29/TPStory/Business

  • woody

    3 years ago

    mobo Jumbo

    (1)Since 1991 the Jumbo proposal has undergone a labyrinth of government processes,
    (2)the issues that have been debated for 20 years are all alive and well

    Sounds like the same bunch of incompetents who are running the Legislation raid trial, are also involved with the decision making process for this project. All can say is,good luck folks.

  • kootcoot

    3 years ago

    There's already the Alps

    Luke Skywalker seems to be one for whom progress or should I say development equals the only meaningful value. As far as this goes:

    Quote:
    Well, the Jumbo Glacier Resort Project went through the appropriate statutory hoops of the Environmental Assessment Act and received its certificate on August 3, 2004.

    Many people consider a positive Evironmental Assessment based on faulty data, including inaccurate wildlife counts just a fancy way of manipulating the truth or more plainly - lying.

    The Purcell Wilderness and the wildlife corridor of which it is an integral part is not something that should be handed over to developers with the attitude that if it isn't economically successful, too bad for them. The precious wilds that will be destroyed in the process are very few outside of the far north and will not recover in my lifetime or that of my grandchildren's children even if the resort fails and becomes abandoned.

    You cannot draw a fair comparison between the Jumbo Resort and the Revelstoke development. As you yourself (can I just call you Kevin?) said:

    Quote:
    I don't recall any of these concerns related to the recently commenced $1 billion ski development just up the highway in Revelstoke.

    Highway being an important word here, one can hardly compare a ski area just off the Trans-Canada Highway that isn't too far from multiple hydro dams to plopping the equivalent of Whistler or a small town smack dab in the middle of the wilderness.
    In fact some scenarios I've seen envision a resort larger than most towns in this part of the province.

    Twenty years or more ago, the dream was Jumbo Pass, it's already a mountain pass, but they wanted to put a highway over it. It didn't seem to matter to the exploiters that this highway would be higher and farther north than the Salmo-Creston Skyway, not to mention partly into the Revelstoke snowbelt. If you are Kevin, you must be aware how difficult it is keeping the Skyway open in winter and even then traffic is often forced to detour via the Kootenay Lake Ferry.

  • kootcoot

    3 years ago

    There's already the Alps - con't

    So now between the Glacier/Howser IPP "green" power project, a high voltage transmission line to more conveniently export the power and Jumbo City it is an all out attack on the Purcell Wilderness. Most locals are opposed to both projects and most who aren't, mistakenly think they will somehow profit from them. There will be profits if it all happens - but it will be the rare local or even Canadian that realizes much of them.

    For the locals there may be some short term well paying construction work destroying paradise. But once it's all in place there will be little in the way of jobs other than cooks, waiters and chambermaids serving rich Americans and Europeans. Of course the Europeans already have tons of Jumbo Resorts all over the Alps and soon it won't be worth the increased cost of flying halfway around the world for more of the same.

    Widerness, they don't have much of that in Europe and nobody is making any.

    I for one would gladly go back to the old days with a government of car salesmen, rather than the current bunch of real estate developers and corporate lackeys.

  • kootcoot

    3 years ago

    Are some locals more equal?

    Quote:
    The project would not be able to proceed without the approval of the East Kootenay Regional District."

    I'm puzzled as to why it is up to only the East Kootenay Regional District. The Central Kootenay Regional District border with the EKRD follows the height of land, a pass has two sides and Glacier Creek flows to the west with the nearest communities being Meadow Creek, Cooper Creek, Argenta, Johnson's Landing and Kaslo.

  • ME2

    3 years ago

    Another straw piled on.

    As in every Democracy, the law is so crafted so as not to impede the reasonable ability of Gov't to govern according to changing environments and times within the framework of the law. Were it not so, we could simply hire a bunch of bureaucrats to manage the affairs of State.

    However, it appears that the crafters of the laws and rules under which government operates did not foresee the coming of today's breed of politician. For these chiselers, no law, no tradition, no public inheritance, and no respect for the wishes of the electorate, can override conferring all the benefits upon the wealthy.

    The eventual outcome of this situation is all too obvious in the US, where despite much working of safeguards into their Constitution, they've lost control over their elected representatives to the point where even these are powerless in the face of Presidential "Executive Privilige", short of actual rebellion.

    With Mr Campbell in power, and maybe soon Mr Harper too, we're well down the path the Americans have taken.

    Experience suggests Campbell will have his way with the Jumbo project, and also suggests there's SFA we can do about it.

    [OFFENSIVE COMMENTER REMOVED. -MODERATOR.]

  • Stump

    3 years ago

    Quote: If you are Kevin, you

    Quote:
    If you are Kevin, you must be aware how difficult it is keeping the Skyway open in winter and even then traffic is often forced to detour via the Kootenay Lake Ferry.

    Aware isn't the word that springs to mind in relation to K. Falcon. Obedient perhaps.

  • Stump

    3 years ago

    Car Dealers Association

    Quote:
    I for one would gladly go back to the old days with a government of car salesmen, rather than the current bunch of real estate developers and corporate lackeys.

    Now the car salesmen simply buy the gov't instead of running it. Check out who's the big donor to the prov. Libs.

  • kootcoot

    3 years ago

    Cross Border Shopping

    [OFFENSIVE COMMENT REMOVED. -MODERATOR.]

  • alive

    3 years ago

    friends to get profit?

    So the developers will get the land for $5000 an acre?
    Do these people not know what land values are?
    it is a gift, the token price is merely there so it can be properly registered to the lucky developer without any embarrassing questions being asked.

    There will eventually be taxrevenue coming from these lands, but by that time the developer has long since gone with his fantastic profit!

    One could wonder how much of that profit wil find its way back to some politicans bankvault via perhaps some brown paperbags?

  • Geoff

    3 years ago

    Administrator

    Note on above edits

    Although the deleted comments above may have been in jest, we at The Tyee don't find any threats of violence funny. Please refrain from making these sorts of comments in this forum in the future.

    Thanks,

    Geoff.

  • Frank

    3 years ago

    Further note on abolve edits

    Quote:
    we at The Tyee don't find any threats of violence funny.

    Especially as I saw the item in question being used on tv by a pretty wily Coyote and the end results were quite alarming.

    Just remember, avoid anything from Acme. And being as all the items in question probably come from the same factory before being sold under different brand names, best just to avoid US technology altogether in this area.

    The moral? Roadrunners don't kill coyotes, <**offending item deleted at source**> do.

  • Frank

    3 years ago

    Last line

    I commented out my own last line :-)

    The moral? Roadrunners don't kill coyotes, (offending item deleted at source) do.

  • Canis Latrans

    3 years ago

    Talking Capitalist Over-development...

    Hopefully, global capitalism being thrown into an increasingly global economic and influence crisis, more and more including this country, will bring at least a temporary halt to this goddamn over-development of mountain wilderness areas into ski hills; the winter equivalent of too cute and domesticated for words mass golf course development of what could otherwise be productive wild areas near urban centres. At least it would be a temporary relief, and an opportunity for the reassertion of some level of sanity into capitalism's insatiable tendency to see wild lands as wasted lands, and hence in need of more "cash profit making" development to amuse the over extended human population locked up in cattle pen cites, and in need of some amusement to control their self-destructive tendencies.

    That said, I don't really think that so-called "modern" capitalism is amenable to a return to "sanity". It's been off its meds for awhile, being the regulatory regime of the postwar to early 80s, pre the rise of the Neoconazis, and is in self-destruct mode, threatening, like the North Illinois University shooter, to take as many of us down with it as possible.

    Low pay service industry jobs, as don't buy cars and houses, or send kids to university (shiver in horror), even from the perspective of its own twisted logic, in the end, is about the best and all that they will provide to the future, post the early blush of the construction phase.

    All which ever more squeezing down into unsustainable spaces such wildlife as is already threatened with extinction, to say nothing of the other wilderness values, such as space, simple biodiversity, trees (listen up ye loggers), and the glorious, productive silence of the bush.

    Frig the pumped snowboarder's "suicide freaks" mentality as well, which feeds into and justifies this bourgeois "money morality" system. Jump of extremely tall buildings instead_, with or without aids. It'll give you the same rush, confine the splatter, and save us cash saving your sorry and stupid ass when y'all go out of bounds.

    Or simply try a little Russian Roulette with a Colt. A real rush, bro.

  • tricia58

    3 years ago

    Pays to be a friend of the Libs

    If the developer really feels there is money to be made in this developement then it will go ahead. After all this is the government that ran a campaign on being accountable to the people who elected them. Is not taking care of their big money friends part of that accountability? Their past record seems to show that it is.

  • Stump

    3 years ago

    Open and accountable

    As I've said before... if you have money in your account, they're open for business.

  • martlet

    3 years ago

    Regional Municipality

    "to become a regional municipality"

    Now just what is a "regional municipality?" Both the Community Charter and the Local Government Act are silent on this term.

  • Bailey

    3 years ago

    Acme

    Dear C. Latrans;

    Sounds to me as if you should get together with those commenters above and see if you can hook up. This Acme outfit sounds like a real valuable resource. You should probly look into setting up an account there.

  • Canis Latrans

    3 years ago

    Bailey, Quote:Sounds to me

    Bailey,

    Quote:
    Sounds to me as if you should get together with those commenters above and see if you can hook up. This Acme outfit sounds like a real valuable resource. You should probly look into setting up an account there.

    Ya think? :-)

    Actually, what I think though, is that it is going to take more than cartoon solutions to resolve this problem. It begins in the populace's head, motivated by a more real than simply "profit-class" understanding of what is occurring and at stake, and similarly, as opposed to bullshite, more formal than real, ruling class manipulated democracy-, the creation of a parallel democratic process, backed up by local level action that leads to hook-ups and the eventual challenging of of the bullshit democratic process.

    And, of course, I know we are not there yet. The pot may be simmering, but it is not cooked yet-, and will not be, before its time. I've been around long enough to understand that, brother. :-)

    The Great Unwashed, of which I am as well a part, have not yet awoken to the potential of their real power. (And in their simple majority, may never. I understand that too. There merely needs to be enough of them. :-) It's simple as that. The Pavlov discovered principles of the appropriateness and role of pleasure and pain, as the primary motivators of species, continue to work through the human socio-economic order as well however.

    Real life is anything but a cartoon, and less amenable to its slapstick routine solutions. That's like waiting for the NDP or the Greens, or any other "vanguard" to come to power and seriously resolve the problems of society for us, especially those of us in the lower class order. That's a real cartoon Acme Corp. likelihood.:-)

    I trust you are otherwise well, brother. B-D

  • Budd Campbell

    3 years ago

    LABOUR SHORTAGE MEANS MORE FOREIGN WORKERS

    MLA McDonald argues that there is a serious labour shortage in the East Kootenays, particularly in the service and construction industries.

    If Whistler is taken as the example, both the ski corporation itself and other employers there are demanding that they be allowed to import temporary foreign workers for everything from entry level hospitality jobs (room attendants, food servers) through to more highly skilled occupations such as ski instructors and avalanche control technicians.

    These employers are makking depressed wage offers on the grounds that all the ski bums and ski bunnies in the world are willing to compromise on earnings in order to come to Whistler.

  • Kootenay Coyote

    3 years ago

    Jumbo Resort

    The article neglects the interests of folk in the West Kootenay, as the wildlife corridor is to replace access by closing the Glacier Ck. FSR, cutting us all off not only from Jumbo, but also from the gorgeous & unique Monica meadows, & possibly from McBeth Icefield: all superlative hiking areas. Why should we be displaced from our regional heritage by a pretentious, unnecessary & unwanted exurban sprawl catering to rich visitors?

  • ripponfalls

    3 years ago

    economic downturn

    Sometimes, developers and civic boosters have to be saved from themselves. Our town has a 1929 Merchant's block (which should serve as a warning to the locals, but doesn't), and we have two massive commercial developments and high rises now in the planning stage.

    The international banking system... starting from the U.S.... is now in lockup mode. It has become a financial black hole, swallowing liquidity and through fear stopping chartered banks from lending while business and consumers either are afraid to borrow or don't qualify for loans. It is no longer capable of supplying the credit necessary to lubricate the world economy. Is Canada going to be insulated from the hard times? Unless your name is Michael Campbell, you can't believe that.

    Personally, I wish it wasn't so - they were good years - but it seems that greed blinds many of us to the reality of finance: if wealth would be created by a printing press, it would have already happened in the past. What is created is what George Soros describes as the worst financial crisis in sixty years, and he isn't exaggerating.

    What happens in a financial crisis? Bad investments are liquidated... by bankruptcy. Capitalists like to call this creative destruction, but for those involved, it's more like economic armageddon.

    What will happen to resort developments being planned now? Either the bears will be able to play in the abandoned sites which will never be completed, or the originators will lose it through bankruptcy. Oh, and your pension funds will have been gambled away by the banks to finance these disasters....

    Get out while you can, or you may have to learn to enjoy fossicking for nourishment in garbage cans.

  • ME2

    3 years ago

    Yes, ripponfalls, big trouble ahead.

    If the development happens, the surrounding communities will have to invest in infrastructure of all kinds to accomodate the expected increase in population, etc, that the development will require.

    Beyond question, this will mean floating bond issues by communities already strapped for cash.

    If the upcoming recession proves as serious as predicted, it's unlikely the hoped-for clientele will show up, and everybody will be left holding the bag, and in this case "everybody" includes the taxpayer.

    Ripponfalls is not just repeating the usual Leftist gloom n doom rant, since the neocons are scared silly too, as David Frum so broadly hinted. We can now see that the sub-prime "bubble" is only a symptom of what's wrong.

    The problem, as we first saw with Enron, lies with derivatives, in which people have been raking off huge profits for assets which exist only on paper, and for which the backups are illusory as well. SOMEBODY'S gonna have to pay up.

    You don't have to be an economist to understand the account in the following story, it's relatively simple, and with that information, you'll know what's going down.

    But aren't Vancouverites lucky that the Olympics will pay for itself? LOL

    http://agonist.org/numerian/20080119/the_four_horsemen_claim_the_monoline_insurers_who_s_next

  • Canis Latrans

    3 years ago

    Budd Right... :-) Part 1

    Many good comments immediately above me here, but I especially want to acknowledge the observation of Budd Campbell, (Whilst genufelecting to my species mate, Kootenay Coyote. :-), re how out of control capitalist economic development processes lead as well to burgeoning. out of control population growth, in this country much via immigration, as winds up further driving the whole bloated development process, resource and space exhaustion, and in the end, declining living standards. (Witness the USA, where the home population's reproduction rates are in serious decline, and the reliance, to maintain their insane capitalist market growth, has almost entirely relied on cheap immigrant labour. To say nothing of having been driven by the entire ruling class endless market growth mantra, as a consequence, in part as well, of their immigrant driven over-population, and increasing resource depletion, into a policy of war reliance, invasion and the theft of other "weaker" nations resources. ie Imperialism.)

    The ruling class ideal in this country, much shaping lower class perceptions as well, has, of course, been this same endless growth, in population and economic exploitation activity as that of the USA, whom they have much desired to be taken in as a part of. And as is actually already occurring. Well perhaps, if not they, the ruling class, then certainly we of the lower orders may want to take a more serious look at where this is all heading, down there, and increasingly up here.

    Without being anti-immigrant per se, for I do understand that they are being driven by essentially the same socio-economic forces in their own countries as effected the earliest flights of immigration from largely Europe to the theft of Native lands here; nonetheless, we are in a period of human and world development here, in my view, where these solutions are no longer useful, long term viable or sustainable. It has to be brought to an end. Unless you are a believer in the beneficence of global warming and the melting of the northern regions, making them available to mass population and industrial growth, we are at a place in human development where there is no where else to run to.

    Continued next post...

  • Canis Latrans

    3 years ago

    Budd Right... Part 2

    From previous post...

    Which means, the people's of the world have to confront this issue of excessive population growth by insistence upon enlightened social and economic policy, eschewing the faith based ones of religion and capitalist greed, both. In the new world order choices between fight or flight, which is basically at the heart of the immigrant issue, it is going to prove increasingly necessary, I think, that the choice to fight for progressive changes within ALL the worlds developed AND relatively undeveloped countries, in all parts of the world, be made by those social milieu who have historically made the choice to flee instead.

    As space and resources continue to decline, especially being driven to increasingly insane levels by capitalist over development, there is going to be no goddamn choice, in due course.

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