Former UK Health Minister to Campbell: 'Don't Do It'
Blair cabinet member warns against private care.
Labour MP Frank Dobson.
"Don't do it!" That was the advice Frank Dobson, a veteran UK Labour MP and secretary of state for health under Tony Blair from 1997 to 1999, brought to B.C. politicians and policy makers about the prospect of adding more private enterprise elements to our provincial health system.
Dobson, in B.C. last month to speak at a conference, told The Tyee that the changes made to the UK's National Health Service under Tory Margaret Thatcher and New Labour's Tony Blair had consistently run up costs and diminished service satisfaction for patients in Britain.
"The previous prime minister (Blair) was mad keen on the private sector," Dobson said, "and he brought it in to provide a limited range of operations on the relative cheap. For-profit facilities did relatively cheap, straightforward operations on people who were, generally speaking, healthy. So quite a bit of that work has been taken away from the health service. But those private hospitals are being paid an average of 11 per cent more per operation than the NHS gets for the same procedures. They're also guaranteed a flow of patients, and, if they don't get the guaranteed flow, they still get paid for the ones they didn't do.
"Our government implemented what you call here "patient focused funding," which is massively more expensive than the older block-funding model. It leads to a huge increase in the proportion of health spending that goes on paper work rather than on patients," he added.
Dobson said that prior to the introduction of market elements into the UK's health care system (which began under Thatcher and accelerated under Blair, the prime minister who appointed Dobson as secretary of state for health in 1997) administrative costs in the NHS averaged around 4 per cent of budget. Now the cost of paper work and record keeping is up between 12 and 15 per cent within the "reformed" health system.
'If you want to be popular'
The political veteran also offered a cautionary note for the BC Liberals as they contemplate changes in health care delivery, in the wake of the province wide "Conversation on Health" and the premier's fact-finding expedition to Europe last year. Adding for-profit elements to the UK's health care system has not only been hugely expensive for taxpayers, Dobson said, but has been very unpopular.
"The result has been that the Labour Party, which founded the National Health Service 60 years ago finds itself for the first time in history actually behind the Conservatives in popularity on health, and it all springs from the introduction of the private sector," he said. "So I'm trying to appeal to the good sense and better nature of B.C. politicians. If you want to be popular, don't do it."
The conference addressed by Dobson, held on Nov. 6, was sponsored by the BC Health Coalition and the Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives, two organizations advocating preservation of public health care in B.C. and Canada.
Minister Abbott: 'complex situation'
B.C. Minister of Health George Abbott met for nearly an hour with Dobson and told The Tyee that although he takes his visitor's advice very seriously, it won't keep him and his government from implementing what Abbott called "cautious, incremental reforms" in B.C.'s health care system.
"It's always interesting for the minister of health to get the perspective of someone who has held the health portfolio in similar jurisdiction," Abbott said. " I enjoyed meeting with Mr. Dobson, and I appreciate his counsel. However, I don't think we are in danger of falling into the traps he describes."
Abbott says that the cost increases Dobson warned him about may well be the result of free market reforms being implemented in Britain while the NHS did its record keeping on paper rather than electronically. He told The Tyee that his government was engaged in a three-year partnership with the provincial medical association to extend electronic record keeping in the B.C. system. Further, he said that less than 5 per cent of medical procedures in the province are delivered privately, and emphasized that his ministry would only move to private delivery of publicly funded medical services when a competitive bidding process proved that was the lowest cost alternative.
"Where we can do it better within the public system," he said, "it will stay within the system. We have to look at what's in the best interests of patients and taxpayers. This is a complex situation and we have to proceed in a cautious, fact-based manner."
Related Tyee stories:
- Campbell's Health 'Conversation' Drives to a Point
Scant support for private fixes, say attendees. - Europe's Health Reforms: Hard Lessons
A special five-part series. - Copeman Clinic: The Tipping Point?
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Fiat lux
4 years ago
Campbell is an ideologically
Campbell is an ideologically warped puppet with a low intelligence level and will do it anyway on the demands of the corporate mafia transmitted to the Fraser Inst. and then transmitted to him by brother Mikey with the promise of a string of directorships a la Mulroney.
The dream of Preston Manning has come true: governments both at the federal and most provincial levels are now solid Reform under various other names to fool the public.
As history through the ages shows, a very easy task.
Ed Deak.
G West
4 years ago
Quote:Adding for-profit
And it'll do exactly the same thing here if Campbell tells Abbott to start implementing more for-profit schemes.
I don't have much confidence in a health minister who says this:
Even as his government is still dragging its heels about addressing the cock-up (confirmed by the Supreme Court) of its first efforts in 'cautious, fact-based reforms' in the health care delivery area.
In fact, all they've done so far is spend a lot more money and make things significantly worse into the bargain.
Abbott should have pleaded for a lot more of Dobson's time.
He might have actually learned something.
If he'd talked to Dobson before the ill-stared and wasteful 'conversation on health' travelling road show he could have saved that money too and put into primary care where it would have done some good...
Of course, Abbott might plead (perhaps fairly) that that debacle was the BOSS'S idea.
Always remember: With this government it is always about GORD.
BLONDE PITBULL
4 years ago
That Abbott can say with a
That Abbott can say with a straight face, " Where we can do it better within the public system it will stay within the system." Just about made me spit out my morning tea.
Ask him about the contracting out of laundry services to K-Bro why Tilbury wasn't allowed to compete.
I'm not even going to begin to wind myself up by telling you all about the "quality" of the "cleaned" laundry that we now have.
BC Dude
4 years ago
Don't do it Abbott, standup
Don't do it Abbott, standup and be a MAN for the people, maybe you'll sleep better!
Abbott always reminds me of a bobble-head with an expressionless blank stare and dead eyes!
A once human being, now just a toddy to a callous vicious dictator!
I hear that TILMA is dead!
Say NO to Bill C-43
http://www.gatewaysucks.org
Staring Kevin Falcon
No Falcon Way!
Van Isle
4 years ago
As I've written in the past;
As I've written in the past; this Government is bent on wrecking our medical system, pure and simple. They're doing the same BC Hydro, BC Ferries, and other institutions in our Province. They blather other words and say that they are not but their actions speak volumns. If the average joe can't see what is happening then it's obvious that they are not paying attention. We can have all the learned and experienced people in the world and say that we're taking the wrong direction, but it wouldn't matter to these bandits in Victoria.
lynn
4 years ago
Reform Nation
Fiat Lux wrote:
Right on, Ed...that really is the sad truth of the matter. Why do we keep pretending? The deed has been done. Forget "the name" attached to anything.... the-thing-itself being revealed is indeed Preston Manning's very own personal dream.
It's a Canada in name only.
Worrywart
4 years ago
Liars
[COMMENT EDITED FOR POSSIBLE LIBEL CONCERNS. -MODERATOR.]
Kam Lee
4 years ago
Gordo does not lesten, unless..
Gordo will not listen to reason. The only person he listens to is his bartender. It's time for him to go.
Fiat lux
4 years ago
Even if he goes another
Even if he goes another strawperson from the same cookie cutter Reform ideological warp will take his place.
It is either the whole gang, or if they get another term, the citizens of BC will have to pay rent to some multinational corporation to breathe .
Registered by economists as growth of the GDP , of course.
Ed Deak.
BC Dude
4 years ago
The Can'tWest has nothing at
The Can'tWest has nothing at all about Frank Dobson's warning about our politicians selling our Universal Health Care, BC and Canada down the sleazy path of destruction by cowardly stealth.
They don't even really try to cover it up anymore as it seems the courts of this once great country are on board with the Corporate Blacks.
MSM
BC Railgate 4years still nothing, Bill Tieleman B&E, 535 BC public rivers given to corrupt corporations by a criminally corrupt Gordo and his BC Liberals, BC Hydro not allowed to expand, our ALR going to realtors or a container park, fish farm huge expansions, Ministry of childrens deaths being covered up, homeless and poverty out of control in BC, mining given green light by Gordo, Royal Dutch Shell in Iskut BC, Convention center $400 million over budget, privatization of our BC forests and given over to subdivide for the ultra rich.
Gatewaysucks.org
TILMA,
and on indefinitely
I still believe!!
"The People United Can Never Be Defeated" NEVER
realisticman
4 years ago
actually, dude
The Province ran this a month ago.
http://www.canada.com/theprovince/news/story.html?id=d78a8f0f-5019-4095-800b-63e2fde86ca0
morechatter
4 years ago
Its not Trick or Treat
but Street and Treat as many BC residents are left without a regular doctor because they are unable to afford the extra fees charged by many doctors and are now forced to go to walk in clinics where the people working there have no time or interest in the patrons who walk through their doors. The visit to the clinic may seem long because of waiting for hours but that is no indicator of the care you receive which amounts to about 90 secs in their office about the time it takes to scribble a perscription on a pad. Enhanced medical (are former system) coverage is on the rise as many Canadians are now covered by their employeers. Its okay as long as you stay with the company and do not have to rely on Canada's medical system although I guess Street and Treat is better than having no medical system at all.
zalm
4 years ago
BC Dude
Thanks for taking yourself off CAPS LOCK - I can hear you now. Coincidentally, you make even more sense than before, not that I think this gang is bright enough to conduct a conspiracy....
BC Dude
4 years ago
realisticman, so what's your
realisticman, so what's your point? It's still very true now, as I watched M Moore's "Sicko" last night, an outstanding documentry!
I haven't bought a CanWest rag for a least a couple years, maybe two kitty-litter rags tops.
That's the least of our problems now, check this out.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjALf12PAWc
An exceptional amount of info!
http://canadianactionparty.ca/leader_m.html
http://canadians.org/